Pumps, what have you had it with this week?

I have had it with my kids’ cell phones constantly dinging, like vibrating.

Like we sit down to watch a movie and we’re in the middle of a vibration, like an earthquake

of everybody’s phone, like, and it’s all that fucking Snapchat.

I don’t understand.

And they’re wondering why ADD is on the rise.

Well, it’s because these fucking phones go off every 10 seconds or one second.

It’s unbelievable.

Do your kids do this thing where all of a sudden they’re like on their phone, then all

of a sudden you see them hold the phone up and they’re like, and it’s like they have

a Snapchat streak with somebody, so they have to keep the streak going and they send these

horrible selfies.

Horrible.

Like you would never want to be caught dead in these selfies.

And they’re sending them out to hundreds of people.

But when I would take Emily’s phone away, it would be like, Mom, I have got to continue

my Snap streak.

I mean, it’s been 947 days.

I’m like, well, then you shouldn’t have, whatever you did.

I don’t think, aside from my dogs and then the kids, there’s anybody I want to be involved

in that long of a streak with.

Wait, no, no, we do have a Wordle group.

Right, but that’s not constantly buzzing.

And it’s only once a day.

That’s right.

It is once a day.

Yeah.

No, it’s just too much.

Too much constant on the phone, on the phone, on the phone.

But it’s, I mean, that’s not going to change.

I don’t think they talk on the phone.

Oh, no.

I remember not too long ago, my oldest couldn’t order a pizza by phone.

I mean, it was like I was watching somebody that had been trapped in a hole his entire

life.

Because ordering a pizza, the communication that was required to just place the pepperoni

pizza order was overwhelming.

Do you remember like back in the day, in the 80s, the landline days where we would have,

like at my house, we had a home phone number and then there was a teenager’s line.

Yes, I remember this.

I was never allowed to get one, but I wanted one.

Like the super cool people had their own line.

Well, I mean, no surprise to anyone, I had my own teenager’s line and I remember the

number.

Oh, you do?

That’s very impressive.

Yes.

I do think the one thing about a cell phone that has taken a lot away from the rest of

the world, the younger generation, is prank calling.

Like prank calling was a blast.

Prank calling was so much fun.

It was fantastic.

And when caller ID came out.

It ruined it.

It was just throwing a grenade.

Right.

You can’t prank call anymore.

You’re busted.

It was so much fun.

My mother was a prolific prank caller.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

I’ve never seen you before.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And so she would get in on it.

No, prank calling was so fun.

So much fun.

Yeah.

No, it was the best.

And that’s just been taken away.

They have no idea how fun it would be to prank call people.

No, no.

I’m with you on the phones.

I mean, I like my phone.

I like to look at Instagram.

I like to read the news.

I like to do Wordle.

But everybody being able to contact you all the time really irritates me because I’ll

have clients that’ll start texting me at like 7 a.m.

And I’m like, this is like my time.

I can gear up for all every grievance you have with me or every paint color you want

to talk about starting at 8 a.m.

I’m all yours.

But when you start texting and they’re like, oh, no, you can respond when you want to.

I’m like, no, here’s the problem.

You sent to me at 7, so it’s already in my head.

Right.

So you’ve completely removed me from my Jennifer time, from my Serenity time.

You know, I have a lot of things I do with the dogs in the morning.

We get their eye boogers out.

We do scratching so that they can have a soft landing to their morning, you know, I mean,

an eye booger free soft landing.

Exactly.

You know, Frenchies can get little eye boogers.

It’s important to keep all of that very clean on your dogs.

Do you do get your dogs eye boogers?

I don’t think he has eye boogers.

I mean, I’ve noticed your dog.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But no, I haven’t noticed prolific eye boogers on.

I think what you just told me last night, when you walk your dog, you wait a day.

Oh my God.

That happened one time, one, because I just didn’t have it in me.

Let’s let the listener know what I was about to say.

Okay, but I can’t believe you were bringing this up.

Misdefensive.

Misdefensive.

Oh my God.

You’re the worst.

Okay.

So listener pumps.

She was walking her dog, which is like a wolf, like a Siberian Husky type dog.

And he took a shit.

Right.

And she did not immediately pick it up because with the baggy, because it was going to be

too warm.

Yeah.

It just kind of grosses me out when it’s so warm.

She claims that she let it sit overnight, a full 24 hours, went back once it was hardened

and removed the poop then.

But here’s what you did.

You left that out for multiple people could have stepped in that.

No, because it’s like, it’s between the street and then there’s a little leaf of grass and

then there’s the sidewalk.

So there would be no reason for you to be not on pavement.

Well, I think some people might like to walk on grass and they have to walk by it and see

it.

I think you have to be an immediate pooper scooper.

It’s an immediate.

I know.

And I normally do.

My dogs have had very unattractive bowel movements and I try to do everything I can do.

I’ve seen you wipe Cha Cha’s ass on more than one occasion.

Dog hygiene is important.

Right.

Luckily, I’ve never had to do that.

Dog hygiene is important.

Right.

I did go back.

I just thought as he was sitting there, I mean, he’s 93 pounds, so it’s like a human

poop.

It’s so big.

And I just thought, I can’t do it right now.

I think you need to be a better pet owner.

That has nothing to do with being a pet owner.

Do you want to hear what I’ve had it with?

Not really, but go ahead.

It’s the name of our podcast.

I know, but you’re being so rude about my dog habits.

You’re going to have to indulge me.

Let’s move on.

Okay.

I do, for the record, for the permanent record.

I do think you could be a better dog owner, but we’ll get on to that another date.

I just want the last word.

Okay.

But I just want to tell you, you treat your dogs like a human, so there’s no way that

a normal person that treats their dog like a dog is ever going to meet your human dog

standards.

I take offense to that.

Okay.

Good.

Because I treat my dogs better than I treat humans.

Okay.

Okay.

Treating an animal like a human is just the bare minimum.

Okay.

I treat my dogs a million times better than I treat human beings.

That’s true.

Okay.

Okay.

So Jennifer, what have you had it with?

Thank you for asking.

You’re welcome.

Pumps.

So I have had it with on Instagram.

So we, if you, listener, if you don’t follow us on Instagram, Pumps will swing by the office

and we sit on the sofa in my lobby and we do, we read hate comments and there’s this

fabulous photograph behind us on the wall that my husband took while we were traveling

in Italy.

And it’s like these Italian boys probably ranging from 22 down to maybe 10 or so hanging

out on the beach.

And it’s one of my favorite images.

I have it blown up in my house.

I have it blown up in the office.

Every time I see it, I think how cool it is that probably generations of these families

have swam at the beach and hung out at this particular beach.

That’s all I’ve ever thought about it.

Right.

So we’re doing these, you know, we’re reading these hate comments, which you and I get a

big kick out of.

Right.

And Morgan, who works in the office, tells me, yeah, people keep commenting on the photograph

behind you.

And I’m like, oh, they like it?

Yeah.

They love it.

No.

It’s these QAnoners and they, the suggestion is that it’s some type of kiddie porn.

And it just amazes me how much when, when people see an image that that’s where their

head goes.

Cause there’s nothing sexual about it at all.

No, not at all.

I mean, and they’re like remotely, it’s not even remotely sexual.

There is pedophilia and there are documented cases and it is horrible and everybody opposes

it.

Right.

Nobody stands for pedophilia.

Right.

Everybody opposes pedophilia.

We’re all united on that front.

But there are people out there that think that there is this like, you know, huge movement

where everybody’s eating babies and there’s large percentages of people that believe this.

And it really, really fascinates me a lot.

And so I think you’re going to be super excited about our guest today.

Okay.

So you watched The Vow.

Loved it.

Okay.

Listener, The Vow on HBO follows the NXIVM cult and there’s two seasons and Pumps and

I were completely obsessed with it.

Obsessed.

One of the former cult members, Sarah Edmondson, that the documentary follows and she’s out

of the cult and she’s courageous and she’s a survivor and she was a whistleblower and

she has a podcast called A Little Bit Culty.

She is going to join us today as we deep dive into cults because we’ve had it.

Had it with cults.

Scientology?

Had it.

Had it.

QAnon?

Had it.

Had it.

Pickleball?

Had it.

Oh.

Okay.

All right.

I see where this is going.

But without further ado, let’s see if we can get Sarah on here.

Sarah, how are you?

I have a little bit of a cold, but other than that, I’m great and really excited to be here.

Thanks for having me.

We’re so excited you’re here, especially me.

I am like the biggest Sarah Edmondson fan on the planet.

I want you to be my best friend when we hang up.

I want us to like text every day.

I want to come visit you.

I mean, I really, I really am excited that you’re here.

Thanks so much.

Thanks so much.

It turns out we actually have a mutual friend that I didn’t know until I was researching

that Kate Casey is a mutual friend.

Yes.

Yes.

She was.

I love Kate Casey.

She’s fantastic.

We travel in a similar cult circuit on the podcast world.

So we, I said the same thing to her.

I want to be your best friend, even though we haven’t met in person.

Well, Sarah, before you joined us, we were talking about QAnon.

The problem with QAnon, and truthfully, we haven’t personally done a deep dive yet, mostly

because we, we interview survivors, right?

Not a lot of people have, some people have come out of it, but when they do, they tend

to kind of run for the hills because they’re so embarrassed as many people are when they

realize that they’ve been in a cult.

So we haven’t found anyone to interview and we haven’t really figured out what that process

is.

But what we do know is that people are, you know, especially in the time of COVID and

the pandemic and people are very isolated and feeling lonely.

And they started to research, you know, if they’re feeling uncomfortable with what’s

happening in the world and lots of crazy stuff’s happening.

And then they seem, they seem to have found an answer, right?

And they feel also that they’ve found a community.

Right.

In the midst of loneliness and being like, WTF is happening with our world and pandemic

and we’re all alone.

We have to wear masks.

Like what’s going on?

Right.

Or whatever it is that’s, that’s fueling their, their searching desire.

And next thing you know, they feel like they found a group of people.

And then that information, because they’re so isolated and in any, in any extreme, anything,

any religion, whether it’s, you know, from QAnon to a yoga call to a extreme religious

sect, you know, offshoot of any sect.

Right.

And they feel like they found answers and they feel like they found belonging, which

is something that’s very normal for anybody, whether it’s a pickleball group or a.

Have they been prepping you for this?

Have y’all been talking to her behind my back?

I just did a little bit of research.

She’s just prepared.

Okay.

I’m willing to take a look.

I’m willing to take a deep dive in that on this episode.

And I do think that we should, and I want to expose something that I think she is culty

about too.

Well, listen, this is what I’ve learned in my journey is that everyone who says to me,

well, you know, I’m so glad you got out and that sounds crazy and good for you and you’re

so brave, whatever.

But I would never fall for it.

And then they continue to tell me something they’re a part of.

I’m like, that’s totally.

Right.

Totally.

I think the automatic response is, oh, well, that can never happen to me.

And it’s like, it happens every single day, right?

They don’t start out like horrible.

It’s I’m a divorce attorney.

I see a lot of inter-family domestic abuse, not necessarily physical, but emotional.

And they don’t, it didn’t start out that way.

They started out being loved and felt worthy and all of these things.

And then it switches and you’re so far in, you don’t know how to get out.

I mean, it’s really sad.

Well, and I think the love bombing plays a huge component of that where you get love

bombed and that’s amazing.

And I think the brain, you know, when they scan it, when that’s happening, it’s a similar

reaction of being on drugs.

And so you’re seeking this high and everybody likes to hear how great they are, except for

how screwed up we are that we like to read our hate comments, which is another episode

entirely when we dive into emotional S&M.

But I do think what’s interesting about the QAnon is I was watching the news and this

was probably like a year ago and they have this meeting at the JFK assassination site.

And they are all certain that like either JFK or JFK Jr. both are going to show up.

And that’s going to be Donald Trump’s running mate.

And so I thought, you know, that maybe two people would show up.

There’s like 500 people in Dallas at the assassination site of John F. Kennedy.

And here’s my problem with it.

Number one, everybody knows both of these people are dead, okay?

But did they not get the memo or take in history that these people were Democrats?

That’s what I couldn’t figure out.

So I think one thing I want, where does like rational thought suspend?

Does it happen slowly?

With all the cults and groups that we’ve examined, it does happen slowly and every step is a

lift.

So like if they had said to me, hey, do you want to join this personal development group?

And then you’re going to have the leader’s initials seared into your groin, right?

I would have been like, no, no.

So it starts with a personal development program that’s really positive and really supportive.

And then it’s a further commitment to my growth through becoming a coach and so forth.

There’s different steps along the way, 12 years later, right?

So I think with QAnon, there’s probably things that are very reasonable and very much reality-based

at first.

And if you accept certain things and you agree that there’s truth to those things and you’re

part of this community and you’re siloed in the information that you get, those things

start to make more and more sense.

And you’re not having anybody on the outside question it, which is QAnon or any group.

You’re isolated from the outside world.

There’s nobody saying, well, what about this or what about that?

And then outsiders are diminished and demeaned, right?

And labeled as the enemy or suppressors.

We watched The Vow that you were on, and then we’ve watched some of the Scientology

stuff.

And I do think, because I was not raised with any religion at all, which is really weird

because I was raised in the Bible Belt.

And everybody is super religious, but my mother is not religious at all, so was not indoctrinated

in any religion.

So my default setting is an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

However, I do see how you can be, because you can be in a relationship or a group of

people and you start to feel a sense of belonging and that feels good.

We crave that as people.

We crave togetherness and connectedness.

And I can see how the building blocks can raise, get more and more intense.

I remember this woman in Georgia and she’s like suburban carpool mom, right?

So she goes down the QAnon rabbit hole and then she goes to Target during COVID and she

goes ape shit bananas and starts screaming about masks and throwing stuff over and she’s

just going bonkers.

Of course, everybody gets their phones out, it goes viral.

She goes totally bat shit crazy.

She gets arrested, obviously.

And then she kind of gets deprogrammed.

And I saw her on like 2020 or something after this and she explained how, you know, there

was paranoia wrapped into her indoctrination of this too.

Like that Bill Gates is putting some sort of microchip in the vaccine to follow us everywhere

we go.

And I think it’s just kind of fascinating that you can have somebody that, you know,

is running carpool, going to Starbucks, going to exercise class, and then, you know, a few

months later is going bat shit crazy in Target.

There seems to be, particularly with QAnon, a rage associated with it that these people

seem to be so angry at anybody outside.

Right.

Well, the things that things that they taught in QAnon were true.

I’d be mad also.

Right.

Yeah, that’s a good point.

I’d be furious too.

So that’s the thing.

Like if what we were doing, what we thought we were doing was true in terms of changing

the world and building humanity, then XM would have been a great group.

Right.

Right.

And if you haven’t looked at Teal Swan, who’s a woman that we haven’t had her on because

I think she’s a cult leader, but we’ve had her, do you know about her?

I know exactly.

I watched the whole documentary.

Yes.

Right.

So with her, it’s interesting because people, her team has figured out SEO and the algorithm

so that when people are feeling low or suicidal and they type in suicide, she pops up as like

a person who can help.

And then they’re hooking in with her.

Wow.

Wow.

So that’s where cults and these groups are more dangerous.

I think at the same time, because of things like The Vow and all these documentaries about

cults and podcasts and all this awareness, people are also a little bit more aware.

Like I don’t think people are joining Scientology these days.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Whereas at the same time, there’s people joining these online communities.

So it might be, I don’t have the stats about what’s actually happening.

What are the red flags that you find that are similar in almost all cults?

Well, in terms of those steps, there’s almost always love bombing, whether it’s a person

or a group or whatever you’re finding yourself in, where you feel really special, you feel

really loved.

Not to say that feeling loved and special and appreciated is you’re in a cult because

Right.

There should be people with good intentions.

Right.

I think the isolation, if you’re being asked to sort of separate from your family and friends

and starting to feel like you have found the answer, anyone who’s claiming to say that

they have the way or the only way or the path or all the answers, that’s a huge red flag

right now.

Right.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

If you’re in a group where you can’t say like, wait, that doesn’t feel right to me or that

I think that’s BS or whatever, and without getting in trouble or shunned or cut off from

the group, not being able to question is a major problem.

Right.

And that’s in all parts of, there’s lots of things right now I feel like you can’t question,

which makes me feel anxious.

Same.

I think you always have to have the free flow of information and I think having curiosity

or second guessing something and then being able to ask and get an answer in a transparent

way is paramount.

And business dealings and relationships, I think it’s super important because I’m kind

of a skeptic person by nature.

My default setting is to be kind of skeptical of things.

And so I always have a lot of questions if there’s an extraordinary claim about something.

My instinct is, oh, come on now.

I mean, I’m always-

That’s good.

Yeah.

That probably protects you from a lot of things.

Except for pickleball.

Except for pickleball.

That’s your vulnerable, that’s your weak spot.

And my dogs.

I, on the other hand, I’m so gullible.

Like I believe everything anyone tells me.

Yes.

I mean, if there’s a lying liar who lies a lot, I’m your girl because I’m just like,

oh, okay.

I don’t question.

I just go with the flow.

So over the course of 20 years, thank goodness she’s helped me in that regard because I’ll

tell her something.

She’s like, well, fuck, that’s wrong.

Like, that’s the dumbest thing.

I’m like, oh yeah, it makes sense when you say it out loud.

Let me give you a prime example.

So Pumps, about a year ago, goes on a date with this guy that lives in Houston, right?

And she’s like, this is perfect.

He lives in Houston.

I live in Oklahoma City.

I can see him once a month.

This is great.

So this goes on for about six months.

They see each other a few times.

Well, a mutual friend of hers and the guy that she’s dating sees an image of this man

on Facebook and there’s a wedding ring on his hand.

So she sends it to me.

And I was like, he’s married?

You have been having an affair?

And she’s like, well, unbeknownst to me, and I’m like, still, the juice that you are having

an affair, Pumps.

I can’t get enough of this.

So of course she calls and confronts him.

And here’s what he tells her.

He says, oh, I’m not really married and I have been divorced for 10 years, but I haven’t

told my coworkers.

So I wear the ring to work for the benefit of my coworkers because I don’t want to have

to explain it to them.

So she calls me and pitches this to me, 100% the way he sold it to her.

She bought it, picks up the phone and calls to tell me, and she even follows up with no,

and I believe him.

And I was like, Pumps, you have got to be kidding me.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, this guy is married.

You are his mistress.

And the big dick over of the entire thing is she didn’t get the Chanel bag.

No, no mistress gifts.

She was the mistress and she didn’t get jack shit, except for this song.

But she bought it initially.

Like 30 seconds.

And then when you said you go, if somebody came to you and told them this story, what

would you say?

I remember that.

And I was like, you’re right.

A hundred percent.

Like, I wouldn’t believe it.

A lot of people come to me and they’re like, I’m in this group and I researched and there’s

all these claims, but I went to the leader and they said, that’s just like a, you know,

a woman who’s an ex, like she was in love with the leader and she’s a woman scorned

or she just went crazy.

Those are huge red flags.

Totally.

Like people, I never researched NXIVM before I went into it.

I only looked on day one and I was like, what’s this?

And they’re like, well, it’s, you know, it’s a smear campaign, which I believed.

Right.

Right.

Because if you’re doing good things in the world, of course, there’s going to be haters.

Right.

So anything negative about NXIVM, I didn’t believe from that point on, but I always encourage

people to research.

And then if there’s questions, don’t go to the leadership.

Don’t go to the, don’t go to the Bishop, you know, go to people outside the group and find

out what happens.

Right.

Right.

And, but always if the, if the, if the people respond to allegations as that person just

went crazy or they weren’t stable or they’re a lover scorned, I’m like, when there’s smoke,

there’s fire.

Right.

Now it’s, it’s so fascinating because when we watch that, we would, we didn’t watch it

together, but we’re watching around the same time.

And then we’d call each other because we talk on the phone all the time and she would call

me.

And what I think struck me is all of you are, you know, attractive, very engaging, very

intelligent.

Like people, when I watched, I was like, I would like this person.

Right.

Like when I saw you, I was like, I would really like her.

And I think that goes to show how susceptible we all are to love bombing and a sense of

belonging and a sense of community and how this can gradually lead you to be a part

of something that is bananas.

But we digress because this podcast is about humor and about positivity and it’s time for

us to get back to that.

And we need to play some games with you.

All right.

Colt games.

Colt or not.

Okay.

Am I going to get sued?

No, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

Adults that go to Disneyland without their children multiple times a year, post about

it, multiple posts, aka Disney adults.

And they have groups that they talk in, meet in, and these, I want to remind the listener

and remind you, Sarah, they are going to Disneyland sans children.

For those of you that don’t know what sans is, it’s French for without, without I’m Canadian.

Can I make a caveat before we play this game?

Yes.

There’s a spectrum of destruction.

So like there’s things that call to do, and this is what we talk about in our podcast,

a little bit culty.

Some things are a little culty and some things are full on cults, right?

Right.

They may use a couple things that a cult would use, but you can walk away from it.

No one’s going to shun you.

That means exactly like culty, like you’re a football club.

I’d say Disney falls into this, culty, so it’s a little weird.

If you leave the group, I don’t know what happens because I’ve never been a Disney adult,

but it’s definitely strange and culty, but I don’t know if it’s a cult.

Okay.

So a little bit culty.

A little bit culty.

A little bit culty.

Okay.

I would agree with that assessment.

The next one are, so you’re Canadian, but in the United States, particularly in the

South, universities are really big with this Greek system, sororities.

This one is iconic in her sorority house, allegedly.

I’m a diehard sorority person.

What was your sorority?

Kappa Kappa Gamma.

Oh, right.

Freudian slip.

Kappa Kappa Gamma.

So here’s the deal.

She’s in a sorority, no big deal.

Here’s what really grinds my gears, Sarah.

When her daughter Emily was born, she did not have aspirations for Emily to be a CEO,

a brain surgeon, a human rights activist.

That never even entered her brain.

From that moment, from utero all the way now, Emily’s 20, her number one driving goal as

a mother was to make Emily a Kappa Kappa Gamma.

Emily becomes a Kappa Kappa Gamma.

We go to Mexico every year, and all Emily does on these trips is she follows me around

because she knows it bugs the shit out of me.

She’s like, be a Kappa, yes, yes, yes, Kappa Kappa Gamma.

She does all these cheers around me all the time.

Would you say that is a little bit culty, medium culty, or full-blown culty, and be

honest?

I’m not going to say it’s full-blown culty because I think that there are some groups

and some sororities that are better than others, but we actually did an episode on this.

I believe the sorority was Alpha, did you say Phi or Phi?

Phi.

Alpha Phi.

Phi.

Okay.

So the little firecracker of a sorority whistleblower who believes that they’re all bad and needs

to be abolished, I don’t know about that.

I think there are probably some groups better, but I think just the structure of these young

women who have authority over these other young women and the way that they are meant

to conform and all look alike and dress alike, it’s a concern to me.

If I was a mom after what I’ve been through, it wouldn’t be what I would choose, but you

had a good experience, so obviously you want that for your daughter.

I just think you have to be aware of, here’s the thing, there’s no structure in our world

right now, no hierarchy that isn’t immune to abuses of power.

Sure.

Right.

And that’s what it is.

Sarah, you’re saying that when your children were in utero, you weren’t dreaming about

them becoming a member of a sorority.

I’m not saying anybody here on this episode has done so, but I always think, I get it,

I was in this and I want my kid to be in this, but I mean, there was a lot of premeditation.

Right.

But what I got out of it, they also have these secret handshakes that they won’t let anybody

know about.

Culty.

Culty.

Culty, yeah.

But I have such good friends, like I still run around, ride or die, with seven or eight

of the girls that I met when I was 18 years old, and they’ve been so helpful throughout

my life.

And we maintain closeness, like that’s what I associate it with, not the secret handshake.

Right, right.

And you want that for your daughter.

Right.

And just so you know, I have ride or die friends from NXIVM, and we’ve been through a lot together

and I wouldn’t change that for anything.

I do think Pam’s verdict is in.

I think it’s actually a great example because it shows that there’s always good in all these

groups.

Yeah.

And some people can go through it.

Some people went through NXIVM and they said, I had a great time.

I learned how to do goals.

I learned how to communicate.

It wasn’t a sex cult for me.

Right, right.

So that’s true.

And so I think you can have your experience and be happy that you didn’t have a bad experience,

Pumps, and also still say, but there are problems with the system.

And maybe there’s a way to have it in a way that’s safe and to have like adults oversee

it.

But the way that I see it now, it’s really unhealthy.

Yeah.

No, I would die on that cross.

I really would.

Okay.

So we really want to be popular in Canada and Canada doesn’t, they don’t like us.

So what can, I don’t know, that’s what we’re asking you.

What can we do to bring on more Canadians?

Do we just reek of Americans?

Is it our accents?

I mean, it’s definitely the accent I think is.

Do I have the accent or is it her?

I have a terrible one.

You both, you both do.

God damn it.

Yeah.

Um, maybe one of you needs to go brunette.

I don’t know.

Like my hair is too much blonde.

Well, you’re way darker hair than me.

So that’d be you.

Why are you sacrificing me?

Because your hair by nature is darker than me.

I don’t know if I want, okay.

Before I forget, you mentioned on an episode that you’ve had it with mega churches.

Oh, I have up to my eyeballs.

Right.

And I want to make sure that you’ve watched the TV series, Righteous Gemstones.

Yes.

I’m all over it.

Every episode.

It is so good, Sarah.

It is so good.

I’m not acting anymore, but if I were to act, it would be on that show.

I’m just going to put it out there.

It’s fantastic.

It’s so smart.

It is so good.

And it is so culty.

Yes.

It’s so culty.

It is so culty.

Okay.

Sarah, I cannot thank you enough.

I cannot believe it’s like touch us because we watched The Vow and then here you are on

our little podcast and we cannot thank you enough for joining us.

It has meant the world to us and I’ve enjoyed this so much.

Yes.

Thank you, Sarah.

Thank you so much.

Sarah, tell our listeners where to find you.

Yes.

You can find me on Instagram, Sarah Edmondson and a little bit culty, both of those handles

are on Instagram.

I also have my own website, sarahedmondson.com and there’s great resources on there.

If you feel like you might be in a cult or you need to recover from a cult, you can get

all sorts of therapy and references there.

And your book, Scarred, is on hard copy, digital and audio books, correct?

Yes.

And I narrated the audible, which is kind of cool because you get to have my voice in

your ear for nine hours.

Excellent.

Excellent.

Thank you, Sarah.

Thank you so much.

Thanks, Sarah.

Thanks for having me.

Take care, ladies.

Bye.

Bye.

Take care.

Love Sarah Edmondson.

Love her.

I think that this is something that you really need to take a look into is this cult activity

of yours and indoctrinating your daughter into it because we have, I mean, basically

everybody in the room kind of felt it was culty, the expert.

Yeah, I think that there’s like panties in the initiation.

I think there’s some weird ass shit going on.

And pumps.

Maybe you’re just jealous.

Yeah.

That’s what I want to do is go hang out with 200 women at a time.

I’m chomping at the bit to do that.

It’s my worst fucking nightmare.

No, I know.

But I just loved it.

I mean, like love, love, love, love, love, love, love.

That’s how people feel that are in cults.

They love it.

Scientologists, you know what they do with their kids?

They put them in a boat.

They make them be Scientologists.

Yeah.

I’m glad Emily is.

Makes me so happy.

That’s culty.

Culty.

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Bye.

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