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today I want to talk about Tim Mcclain
and this Greyhound bus situation
it’s pretty
awful and it’s so
weird so I guess I’ll just shut up and let’s get
right into it
so Tim Mcclain was born October
3rd 1985 he grew up outside of Winnipeg Canada
in a small town called Eli Manitoba
and you know it’s just one of those
small towns where
growing up you really have to
make up your own fun
that’s small towns for you
you build like little mud huts and
stuff did anyone build mud huts
that’s what we did
so tim’s friends would say that he was very outgoing he
loved people
he was not shy at all
like if he got invited somewhere
and he didn’t know anybody in the room
he would be able to go up to anybody
and just like make friends with them
I’m so envious of people like that
I aspire to be like that but you know
I’m completely opposite I’m like hmm
doesn’t matter Tim
loved just meeting new people
seeing new places
so one summer when Tim was
22 at this time his longtime friend since like
childhood hit
him up and was like hey what are you doing this summer
and he’s like
nothing well
I don’t know if he said nothing but he was like nothing
she told him hey okay well pack
your bag for like a week I don’t know how long we’re
gonna be gone but
pack your bag for a week
and come meet me at this at this
place I got a job opportunity for you
so the 2 of them go
to this job opportunity and it’s actually at a carnival
working as carnies
is that the
right term I believe so
carnivals travel from city to city
gotta work all the different games and
stuff it wasn’t
gonna be like a permanent job
it was just like a
quick little
thing but then it turned into a long summer job
for the whole summers
it seemed like a lot of fun like you become really
close with everybody that you work with at the carnival
and you become like a tight knit
family pretty much who
travels from
city to city so you’re constantly seeing new
places new cities meeting new people constantly
so it was like the perfect job for Tim because he
loved traveling
and he loved meeting new people
he seemed to like find a
passion in it like he was very passionate
about this job
and honestly I
22 like that
sounds like a fun ass job
you’re traveling with a
bunch of people who became now like your friends
you’re going from city to city you’re making
money you’re seeing cool
places that you probably
would have never seen before
you just having a good time a good summer
so it was the perfect
job for him
now at this time I
think he had a
girlfriend I’m not really
quite sure it was kind of hard to find a lot of
information
on tim’s like upbringing and
background and
stuff he had a
girlfriend I think
or they were just like hanging out you know
so her name was Colleen
and he knew her
since like first
grade after high
school and all that they went
their separate ways
this Colleen lady she
ended up getting
married and then she got a divorce
and her and Tim
started hanging out
after she got a divorce and this was in like
2008 so they kind of like rekindled
their friendship or whatever
so not long
after Colleen
was pregnant
this would be her
3rd child so
she had 2 from her previous
marriage and this
would be tim’s Tim was back working at the carnival
and at this time it was at Edmonton
and the carnival’s next stop was Regina
and that’s when Tim made a crucial decision
instead of going to Regina
he’d go home to Winnipeg
to make arrangements for his move to British Columbia
he liked it there so he
planned on moving
some friends
offered to buy him a
plane ticket so he didn’t have to take the bus
because it would be a 24 hour bus ride
but Tim insisted on taking the Greyhound
bus then just
after midnight on July 30
Bus 1170 began
its journey
24 hour journey
back home okay so then there is another person in this
story and his name is
Vince Lee now he was born in China
Vince was born
April 30th 1968 and then he
moved to Canada
in June of 2001 he
ended up going to college there
and he graduated in 2002 with
a computer programming degree he worked in Winnipeg
at a church for 6
months and he
got married
and he was trying to support his wife Anna
his old boss at this church
would say that
Vince seemed
like really nice really
happy he seemed
thankful to be having
a job because he was having a hard time finding a job
and he seemed
very committed to what he was doing as well
now there was a language barrier
and his old boss
would say that
it was frustrating for
Vince because
you know lack
of communication or not being able to communicate
with someone is just really frustrating in general
his old boss
would say that he
could tell Vince was
frustrated because
he just couldn’t seem to communicate
clearly with
his co workers and stuff
learning a new language is effing
hard come on
his old boss
would also say that
Vince showed no signs of
aggression he didn’t seem like an
angry man so then in 2005
Vince started working as a forklift
operator in Winnipeg and his wife worked as a waitress
and then Vince
moved to Edmonton
in 2006 he worked a lot of just
random jobs
he was working at Walmart he was working at a fast food
restaurant he worked at a newspaper delivery boy man
sorry Vince was getting more and more
frustrated over time because
he had this degree
for computer
programming
and he was working these
random little jobs nothing in his
you know what he went
to college for so he was just growing more and more
frustrated and then
later in 2005
Vince would be
diagnosed with
schizophrenia
and this would be left untreated
but him and his wife
ended up getting a divorce
and he left a note for his ex wife Anna saying
quote I’m gone
don’t look for me
I wish you were
happy end quote
there’s no report on what his plan was or like
where he was
gonna go he just wanted to get out of there
and it seems like this Anna
lady wasn’t
happy so he was just leaving
I guess according to Anna his
ex wife it was a complete surprise like it was super
random that he left he was just gone one day and she
found that letter
and it was like oh
why guess I’m single now
July 29th Vince
gets on a Greyhound bus
and it’s bound for Winnipeg
around 6pm Vince
got off of the bus
in Ericsson Manitoba
Manitoba Manitoba
is that okay
mm hmm now Vince
got off this bus and Ericsson and he had
3 pieces of luggage with him
and he stayed the
night on a bench
next to a grocery store
but close to the bus stop
you know because he wanted to hop on to another bus
according to one witness
they saw Vince
like sitting on the
on the bench and it was like 3 a m
I’m not sure what they were doing at 3 a
m but whatever they see
Vince sitting
like straight up and his eyes are like wide open
and they remembered this because it was weird
I’m sure if any of us saw that I
would be like um
fuck that I’m
going over here
so then it’s
later reported that Vince
sold some of his
his luggage
I guess in order to make
money we’re not really
clear on that
anyways but he
saw he sells some of his
luggage and in his luggage was like his computer and
stuff and he decided you know what fuck it I’m
gonna sell it
so he sells it
makes some money
and he’s waiting for the next bus to come
at this bus stop that he was at there was only one bus
that came a day so he’s waiting for that specific bus
now finally at 6 55 pm a bus pulls up to the bus stop
this is the same bus that Tim is on remember Tim
I just talked
about him I really hope you remember
so the bus pulls over people get off so they can
smoke their cigarettes
or stretch their legs
and they pick up any new passengers
Vince he hops
on this bus
now Vince was like a tall man he’s in his
forties he has a shaved head he’s wearing sunglasses
he seemed to just kind of mind his own
business this is according to people on the bus so when
Vince got onto the bus originally he sat like in the
front of the bus
now Tim was actually in the back of the bus like
the very very back row
not that that’s bad or
anything but Tim was in the back and when you’re in the
back of the bus you’re kind of like cornered into the
the back if I say back one more time anyway so
Vince gets on the bus and he’s in the
in the very
front so a scheduled rest stop came up
and Tim stepped out so he
could have a cigarette
and a lot of people got off so
again they could stretch
their legs they
could get snacks at the vending machine or whatever
now when Tim got back onto the bus he goes back to
his seat that’s when
Vince he gets up
from his seat
and he goes to the back of the bus and sits
next to the
empty seat that’s next to Tim
so tim’s like at a window seat
right and then
Vince is sitting next to him
there’s people sitting in
front of him
and then behind them is
like a wall so
again cornered
now witnesses
say it didn’t seem like
Vincelike knew
him at all but Tim was friendly
he when Vince came and sat next to him Tim said
hello how’s it
going cause
again he was a friendly guy
so Tim puts on like his headphones
listens to music
and he kind of leans his head on the window so he
could just go to bed
on the bus they’ve got the little TVs
going and they have The Return of Zorro playing some
passengers are
sleeping some are
reading so suddenly out of nowhere
the passengers just hear
like a blood curdling scream
wakes everybody up
and it was coming from the back of the bus
so according to witnesses it was
about 8 30 pm
and Tim was
sleeping with his headphones on when
suddenly the man next to him just
pulled out a large
knife from his backpack
and he just
began to stab Tim
and he was stabbing
Tim in the neck and in the chest
just going to town on this poor kid
now again witnesses
would say that Tim
tried to fight back he was trying his hardest to get
Vince off of him
then it said
that Tim was either
thrown onto the
floor of the bus or he fell onto the
floor of the bus tim’s seat
again was towards the back of the bus so the seats in
front of him made it
really difficult
to escape because
he’s cornered
killer is right here
right and then you got people in
front of you
and a window right here
where are you supposed to go
now the bus driver his name was Bruce
he is yelling at
Vince to stop to
stop I mean what can you do you’re driving
stop that you know
he pulls over to the side of the road
quickly all the passengers get off of the bus
Bruce the bus driver stays behind
and he’s yelling at Vince
to stop please stop please stop trying to reason with
Vince and Bruce says that’s when Vince
was like holding the
knife and walking towards Bruce
and Bruce is like fuck that
so he gets off the bus he
closes the door
and he like barricades
it locks it make sure that
Vince cannot escape
sadly just leaving
Vince and Tim inside
now they didn’t know at that time like
if Tim was still
alive should we
get him like
should we say try and save him what
should we do everyone’s just panicking
so a bus driver
was driving in the area and he sees
the bus pulled over
and he sees a
bunch of people and they all look like they’re
in distress
so this bus driver
named Chris
he pulls over and ask what’s going on
he actually helps
barricade the bus door
because Vince was trying to escape
and he’s there just making sure that
Vince does not get out
oh and by the way
when the bus was accident
or when they pulled over the police were called and
stuff so they’re just kind of waiting for
police to show up
Vince inside
with tim’s body he turns back and goes back to Tim
and he just continues to stab and attack him
you know it’s a Greyhound bus so there’s a
bunch of windows and
stuff and everybody
standing on the outside all the passengers and whatnot
they could see into the bus so they
could see Vince
and like what he was doing
so they’re just like
watching and
ugh I couldn’t imagine
so then another Greyhound
bus that was
on the same
route and it was
carrying passenger
like their overload
so they see
the Greyhound bus is pulled over and
so they pull over the driver of that bus
his name is Bernie
and so Bernie was like okay I’m
gonna try and go on the bus and see if Tim is still
alive can I help him
maybe I can do something
so Bernie decides to go into the bus
and he’s asking
Vince to stop
he’s asking him why like why are you doing this but
Vince simply responded with quote
get emergency
and quote while continuing to stab
Tim now Bernie
would say that
he’s on this bus and he’s yelling at
Vince to stop
right now the
whole time he’s yelling at
Vince to stop he had like this
crazy look in
his eyes and he just like staring at Bernie like
fucking kill you and Bernie was just like oh shit
no and Bernie said that he didn’t really look at Tim
at that moment because
you know when you see something like
maybe bad happening over there and
if you just don’t look at it then it’s like not real
or you’re like trying not to look at it cause
you just don’t
wanna acknowledge it so you’re just
not looking at it anyways
what he was saying is he didn’t like look at him yet
cause he just didn’t
wanna lose it
and then Bernie says he finally
just like looks at Tim and he sees tim’s body and like
Vince was cutting
deep into tim’s body and just taking out
pieces of his flash
and then Bernie realized that
Vince was cutting
deep into tim’s neck and he was beheading Tim
I think at that moment
you know Bernie
exited the bus
because he realized that there was really nothing they
could do at that
point to save Tim
he was sadly dead
so Bernie got off the bus
and they barricaded
the door again
Bernie then suggested to the bus driver
be best if we cut the
power on the bus so so Vince
wouldn’t be able to
start up the bus and
drive away so Bernie
engaged the
emergency immobilizer system
which makes the bus inoperable
so he can’t take off
again at this
point they’re
still waiting for
authorities to show up
so then they see
Vince inside the bus
and they see him walking around
and he goes to the
front of the bus and he’s trying to
start the bus up
so he could take off
and then once
Vince realizes that he’s kind of like
stuck he starts to get really
really agitated he’s growing very
frustrated so
Vince goes to like the
the door of the bus and he’s trying
to stab and cut his way out of the the door and he’s
everybody well not everybody but like
the bus driver
and Chris the
truck driver
they’re all trying to like
make sure that
Vince does not get out of this
this door so at this
point Vince
accepts the fact that he is
trapped inside this bus
so they see him kind of give up on this door idea
and he just
goes back to what he was doing so he went back
and he continued to stab and mutilate
tim’s body finally
at 9 pm emergency officials
arrived at the scene
corporal Harter
tried to talk to Vince
down from outside of the bus and he’s pleading with him
to drop the knife
to come out
to throw the
knife out of the
small window of the bus
and then they
ended up bringing in
special negotiators and
a heavily armed tactical unit
they’re trying to negotiate with Vince
they’re trying to get him to
turn himself over
it said that
vinces his responses were very chaotic
they didn’t make any
sense the one
thing that they did make out was Vince
loudly said I’m
going to stay on this bus forever
which is like okay
so again all the passengers and
stuff are like
standing on the side of the road
and you can see inside of the bus they
could see what
Vince was doing
and then they’re just
watching Vince in there just
doing weird shit they
could see him
mutilating tim’s body with scissors and a buck
knife Vince
would like pull
certain body parts and
organs out of tim’s body
again they’re
watching they
could see I
think just Vince
want to put on a show or something
I don’t know man
but Vince pulls
a body part out and then he like
smells it everybody’s
watching that he smells it
and then he puts it in his mouth
and begins to eat it there were also reports that Vince
he was like
licking the
blood off of his hands and arms and then he
would just walk up and down the bus
aisle just like
carrying various
organs and body part
and he was like showing them off to the witnesses
before stuffing them into
garbage bags
like the small you know
chopping garbage bags
Vince then decides to pick up tim’s head
and he’s carrying it back and forth
letting everyone see it
a lot of the witnesses were saying it’s one of
those things where it’s
horrific right
but you also can’t stop
looking around 9 30 or 10 pm
the stranded
passengers finally were
taken and they were
transported to
be interviewed at
Brandon RCMP
Detachment which I
think means police department
you know I do a lot of researching for
these stories but I always forget
to Google the small
stuff that I don’t know
like RCMP what is that I
should have
googled that
the passengers are
taken to be questioned and
hear all their stories and what not trying to
understand the situation and what happened
July 31st 2008 at 1 20 am
this is hours
after the initial attack
Vince broke one of the back windows open
on the bus and he
threw out some belongings
along with the
knife and the
scissors that he was using
Vince then decided to jump out of the window and
he wasn’t necessarily turning himself in he was
gonna try and run for it
great plan Vince
but that didn’t work out he jumps out the windows
and then that’s when
Vince is like
trying to resist arrest he’s trying to get away
and of course like police use
their little taser
and they control the situation
the police were able to go onto the bus
and they just see a
horrific scene they see that there are
trash bags everywhere
and inside these
trash bags were like parts
of tim’s body
what he was doing with them
so they go up to tim’s body and they see that
his ear his nose his tongue they were all missing from
from tim’s face
so they’re like
where the fuck is that
they search
Vince and they find in his pockets
were tim’s ears
nose and tongue
don’t know what he was
gonna do with that and then
sadly tim’s eyes and part of his heart
they were never
found or recovered
and they are
assumed that
Vince ate them
so then at 10 am
Greyhound representatives took
other passengers to
Walmart I think it is or it was like a
small store
I kind of saw both
but they took
some of the passengers
to the store
to replace the
clothing that they’re wearing because they had
blood like on
their shirts and whatnot
they let them get some items to her
to replace the bloody
clothes and then they sent the passengers
on another bus to head back to Winnipeg
so they could go home
Vince his trial was on
March 3rd 2009
Vince was pleading
not criminally responsible
now this means
hold on not
criminally responsible so this means that he accepted
the offense
occurred he’s like yeah that shit happened
but I wasn’t
fully there mentally
so technically wasn’t me
so Vince would go on to say that
he got on the bus
right and he sat in the
front and then
there were voices
in his head that were telling him he was in danger
Vince said he sat next to Tim
Tim smiled at him
and asked how he was doing and
Vince said he heard the
voice of God telling him that he had to kill Tim or
he would die immediately
this is the
part that pisses off a lot of people I mean it pisses
it pissed me off too okay
so Vince was
charged with
second degree murder
but ended up being
found not criminally
responsible because he was diagnosed with
schizophrenia
and he failed to take his
medications
so Vince was
required to be held at a mental hospital
get the help that he needs
and then after
a few years he
ended up being
fully discharged
fully discharged and this
caused a lot of debate for obvious reasons
some people I
wanna say like 90
of people believe that
Vince should have been held accountable for the murder
due to its brutality
and then others believe that he
should be forgiven due to his
mental illness
so really quick like my own personal opinion
where I totally support the
idea that if you were suffering from a mental illness
and you commit a
crime that yeah I like the idea that
you get help
versus just being locked up and like
the keys just thrown away
right like out here in America
you just get locked up forever
and then you’re in the
system forever because you can’t ever get out hot mess
and in Canada
it seems like they’re always trying to help the people
they’re not
just trying to lock them up forever they’re trying to
truly help people but
I feel like
in some cases like with this one it’s not like he
stabbed him one time and it was like not that
stabbing him one time
would be better but
Vince full on
chop this guy’s head off and was like
carrying it around like
you know like
no it should be case by case I don’t
quite understand
why they yeah mm hmm
no and then in February of 2016
Vince ended up legally changing his name to Will
Baker and he left his
group home and is living independently
people who work closely with Vince they say that
he feels great remorse and that like he’ll be fine
as long as he’s getting the help that he needs
and there wasn’t just one victim
all of the passengers on that bus
have suffered in some kind of way
sadly this awful murder had lasting
effects on those who were a witness
one of the passengers who gave birth a couple years
later she suffered from PTSD
that occurred from witnessing the attack
this affected her ability to
raise her child who had been
taken from her and placed in foster care for 18
months before being returned to her
another the truck driver Chris
he is the one who tried to stop and help
he also came forward and said he struggled from PTSD
from what he witnessed
he says he became an alcoholic
after the event because he couldn’t
sleep at night from all the
nightmares there was another witness who actually
tried to file a lawsuit
against Greyhound the police
and Vince and it was later
dropped but she goes on to say it’s unfair
because officials were so lenient with Vince
and his mental illness trying to help
Vince to get better
but nobody has offered
help for the people that suffer from PTSD and suffer
daily where’s their help
and for that
Vince shouldn’t be
out because
where’s their help get them help
the list goes on almost
every single passenger
on that bus has suffered from PTSD in some way whether
they were able to get help or not
greyhound has
never offered any type of help for them
the only type of help
they did offer
was compensation for the reimbursement of clothing
or any items that may have gotten
stained with
blood but other than that
that was about it
so on December 21st
2008 this is 5
months after the murder
tim’s girlfriend
Colleen remember Colleen
she was pregnant with tim’s son
she ends up giving
birth sadly
there was a
messy custody battle between
tim’s family and
Colleen that
started in 2009
I’m not sure exactly
like what the case
was why they felt like she was unfit but regardless
and 2016 tim’s
mother and her husband were
granted full
guardianship of tim’s son
according to Global
News Vince was most recently in a secondary
training program in hopes
to enter the career fields
so that is the
tragic story
about Tim Mcclain
he just got to walk free
tough kind of
horseshit is
that he wasn’t getting help and he needs help and he
should get that in prison but he needs to be in prison
and he needs
to be held accountable for what he did he took a life
whether you were there
mentally or not you
still did it he
still did it and it’s
truly unfortunate because all of the
victims on that bus
tim’s family they
they are carrying this
heavy thing that happened to them and
knowing that the person responsible for this
is out there
living their life
changed their name
trying to get a career
I’m not sure in Canada
how the law works can somebody be retried for a case
is that something that can happen
I’m not sure
um but if it’s possible I really hope justice can
happen for tim’s family and for all of the
victims who are affected
I would love to hear your guys
thoughts down
below do you believe Vince
should be in prison
but if you don’t I
would love to hear as well I guess
yeah that’s
about it thank you so much for hanging out with me
today I hope that you have a wonderful day
be safe out there
okay rest in
peace to Tim Mcclain
and I really hope his family
and all the
victims can get some kind of peace
and healing let me know
who you would like me to talk
about next week but
other than that
I hope you have a wonderful day today
make good choices
and I’ll be seeing you guys later bye