hi guys i hope you are having a wonderful day so far
my name is bailey
sarian and today is monday
which means it’s murder mystery and makeup monday
if you are new here
every monday i sit down i do my makeup and i talk
about a true
crime case that’s been heavy on my noggin
it’s a good time
kind of i mean
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it’s a doozy
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me personally
i’m a curious cat meow
three a m one
night and i was laying in bed and i was thinking
where does that fear come
of the windowless
white van you know i’m talking
about those
creeper vans when you see him you’re like
that’s a kidnapping van or like a killer van
you know i’m saying like
where did that come from
lawrence bitaker
we’re gonna
start with him
lawrence bitaker was born in
pittsburgh pennsylvania
on september twenty
seventh nineteen
forty his parents
chose not to have children
so when lawrence was
well when lawrence’s
mother was pregnant with lawrence
it was a surprise
she didn’t want kids
she made it very
clear when she
found out she
was pregnant it was devastating for her she’s very
upset lawrence’s
mother got pregnant with lawrence and then she gives
birth to him
as one does when lawrence was born
his mother placed him
well and his father
cause they both didn’t want kids
they placed him into an orphanage
lawrence did end up getting
adopted when he was just an infant
and lawrence’s
adoptive father he worked in the
aviation industry
which required the family to move around the united
states all throughout his
childhood so he really didn’t know like what a
stable home
would look like
lawrence at the
age of 12 would have his
first run in with the law
he was arrested for shoplifting and then he
would obtain a
minor criminal record
over the next
four years he
continued to get arrested for
the same offense
petty theft theft
theft in general
lawrence his excuse for these
petty thefts and the thefts that he was committing
had been attempts to compensate for the lack of love
he received from his parents and
that was his reasoning
in 1957 lawrence
and his family they were living in california
it’s said that lawrence
had a really high iq but he really struggled in school
and he decided to drop out of high
school within
a year of dropping out of high
school he had been arrested for car theft
and a hit and run
and evading arrest
for these offences
he was imprisoned at the
california youth authority
where he remained
until he was 18
years old once lawrence was released he
went looking for his adoptive
parents and realized
that they had disowned him and relocated to another
state no idea
where they went and sadly he
never saw his
adopted parents
again pop quiz
which previous murder mystery and makeup monday killer
was also staying at the california youth authority a
ed gein b catherine knight c
edmund kemper or d gary hyde nick
time’s up i doubt you remember but i knew
it sounded all too familiar high iq
california use authority
hmm it’s goddamn
edmund kemper do you remember a boy
i was like what are the odds of that do you remember
edmund kemper
he was a big boy he was like over six feet tall
and anyways i mean suspicious
what are the odds of that so they were
both staying at the
california youth authority at the same time
no reports of them being bffs or anything but
i thought that was a little
odd like what a small
world i guess
anyways so that’s a little bit
about lawrence’s upbringing
now we’re gonna talk about roy
norris now two are
gonna become one
but they both have different upbringings okay
so now we’re moving on to roy
i can’t say his name
roy okay look
i have a really hard time with this r situation
so is okay if i call him norris was born in
greenlee colorado
on february 5th 1948 anyways
mr norris here he was conceived out of wedlock
now remember this is 1948 having a baby
out of wedlock was heavily frowned upon
and with that being said his parents decided to
marry because well they felt like that was the
thing they had to do
not a good thing
i know people
still do that now to this day
just remember you don’t have to
his father had worked in a
scrapyard and his mother
sadly was a drug addicted housewife
he grew up in his parents home throughout his
childhood and
teenage years
but he was repeatedly placed in
the care of foster families throughout the
state of colorado mr norris
would say his upbringing was
awful his parents were
verbally abusive towards him and would tell
him he was not wanted
and then sadly
the foster families he lives with constantly
would deny roy
food or clothing so there was a period when he was 16
that he was living at home with his parents and i
the family had
visited the home of a lady relative who was in her
early 20s and he began
speaking to her in a very like sexually
suggestive manner
just something that
freaked her
out i’m not sure exactly what was said to her but
this is what she had reported
she ordered him to leave the
house and informed
norris mr norris his father
who threatened to subject him to
a pretty hardcore beating
norris here he then
stole his father’s car and
drove into the
rocky mountains
where he attempted
to commit suicide by injecting pure air into an artery
in his arm he failed he was
later found by police and
taken in as a runaway
and once he
was returned to his parents his home i mean his dad
beat him pretty badly
and then his parents had informed him that he and his
younger sister were unwanted children
and that they
intended to divorce when both of the kids had reached
a year later norris
dropped out of school and
joined the united
states navy
he was stationed in san
diego in 1965
and then he was deployed to vietnam in 1969
while he was deployed in vietnam
that’s where he
experimented with different drugs
like heroin
mainly he got
an honorable discharge
from the navy
after one tour of duty
duty so lawrence
was in days of his
parole from the
california youth authority
lawrence was then arrested for
transporting a
stolen vehicle across
state lines
following that he was sentenced to 18
months imprisonment
to be served in oklahoma
state reformatory in 1960
lawrence was released
from prison and soon reverted to to
crime again
because he seems
like he can’t stop
within months of being released
he had been arrested in los angeles for robbery
and in may of nineteen
sixty one was
sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment for the robbery
and then after serving
three years lawrence was released
such a joke and then in 1964
he was arrested
again for parole violation
and a year later he was
again released into society between 1967 and 1971
lawrence is arrested a couple of times again
for theft and robbery
he was sentenced to six
months to fifteen years imprisonment
but was released
after serving
just three years
i don’t know if you’ve caught on but lawrence
got a pretty lengthy record already
and then in nineteen seventy four
look i’m just laughing at how ridiculous this is
in 1974 lawrence
was arrested for assault with attempt to commit murder
you see what happened
he stabbed a young
supermarket employee who had accused him of
stealing the
supermarket employee had seen lawrence
stealing a steak
and he followed lawrence outside into the parking lot
where he calmly
asked lawrence whether he had forgotten to pay
for that stake
he was holding lawrence
stabbed them in the chest
supposedly he like barely missed his
heart but he stabs him in the chest
and then he attempts to flee
and then he was
quickly restrained by two other
supermarket employees
now the employee luckily thank god
had survived the
stabbing lawrence
was convicted
of the lesser charge of assault with a deadly weapon
and he was sent to
california’s
men’s colony
in san luis obispo
i’m getting tongue tied
today so in november of 1969 roy
damn it why can’t i be a normal person
mr norris norris
was arrested for his
first known
sexual offense he was
charged with
both rape and assault with attempt to commit
rape february of 1970 norris
attempted to deceive a lone
woman into allowing him to
enter her home
and when the
woman refused he attempted to
break into her
house and the
woman called the police
who then arrested mr norris
and then in may of 1970
norris on bail
for his latest offense
he then went on to attack a lady student he had been
stalking on the grounds of the san
diego state
university campus
norris repeatedly
struck her on the back of her head with the rock
until she slumped to her knees
before he repeatedly
beat her head
against the sidewalk
shortly thereafter norris was
charged with assault with a deadly weapon
he committed to a
total of five years imprisonment
he was classified as
a mentally disordered sex offender
and then and i’m
laughing because of how
ridiculous this is okay
because in 1975
he was released with five years probation
and he was declared by doctors
as an individual who was of quote
no further danger to
others and quote
and here’s the kicker
the kicker just
three months
after his release
norris approached a
27 year old
woman walking home from a restaurant in dondo beach
and he offered her a ride on his motorcycle
when she declined
norris parked his
motorcycle and
grabbed the
woman’s scarf
twisted it around her neck
dragged her into a nearby bush
where he then proceeded to rape her
now the rape was reported
but they were unable
to find norris
they couldn’t find him
he was long gone by the time she reported it however
a month later
the victim was out
she was like living her life and she sees she spots
norris’s motorcycle
she’s like oh shit
that’s his motorcycle
she writes down his license
plate number
and she immediately gave it to the police
norris was arrested
for the rape
and then one year
later he was
tried and convicted
for this offense
he was then sent to the
california men’s colony in san luis
obispo and while incarcerated at the
california men’s colony
norris met and befriended lawrence
side note because this pisses me off
now you think this
would be the end of the
story right
because all so much shit has already happened between
these two right you
you think this
would be it
you think that
would be the end of this
story nene i say
lawrence and norris his name is rory
but i can’t say it okay
lawrence and norris they’re in the same prison together
so they become
you know familiar with one another
lawrence would say
you know they were acquaintances at
first they knew of each
other they saw each
other i mean
lawrence would say that they only began
talking in friendly terms
when norris
taught lawrence
how to make jewelry
while in prison you know
you get like arts and
crafts time
then norris
would say that they became really close
when lawrence
saved him from being attacked by fellow inmates on at
least two occasions
so after that they became
pretty close
and what do
close friends do
they sit around
and gossip with one another and like they tell each
other secrets
and that’s what they did when they became friends they
started to discover that they had
common interests norris also confided in lawrence that
the thing that really turned him on
he’s like let me tell you let me tell you girl
i think that really turns me on
he loved seeing like the face
of frightened
young women
and then he
added this was
the primary reason why he had such a lengthy
sexual assault record
which is weird because at this
point when he was arrested
he didn’t have a lengthy
sexual assault record
so there’s reason to believe that he’s hiding
a lot of shit
he did that was just like a side note but like okay
so then lawrence
follows that and tells norris that if you ever raped a
woman he would kill her so
you know he
would not leave a witness to the crime
and like norris was like oh my god wow
that’s so cool wow you’re so cool
now when the two were
alone it said that the pair
often discussed plans to assault and murder
teenage girls once they were freed
you see they shared this fantasy which then
evolved into an elaborate plan to murder one girl
of each teenage year so from 13
all the way to 19
they wanted to
find a girl of
every age between then and murder them set
better goals
the parent vowed to become
reacquainted
once they were released
lawrence was released in
october of 1978 he returned to los angeles where he
found work as a mechanicst
mccannest sorry i’m having a hard time talking now he
would earn about a thousand dollars a week
which is like a
great amount of money
especially at this time
but he became
friendly with a
ton of people in his neighborhood and his
place of work
and he earned a
reputation as a
generous and helpful
individual who occasionally donated
money to local charities
um reading about him
he seemed to do a lot of like public service and
donating on his
spare time so it’s
strange but okay i i don’t know
i just thought that was kind of
anyways and then
three months
after lawrence was released
in january of nineteen
seventy nine
norris was released from prison and he
moved into his
mother’s home
in redondo beach
she soon found employment as an electrician
in compton shortly
after his release
norris received a letter from
lawrence asking if like he wanted to meet
and then in late february
the pair met at a hotel
and they rekindled
their plan to kidnap and rape girls
they shouldn’t have even been released in the
first place but that’s just
a personal opinion i
guess so in
order for the pair to
successfully
kidnap girls
lawrence decided they
wouldn’t need a van
as opposed to like a normal car so the two put their
money together and they purchased a silver 1977 cargo
shut the purchase
in silver 1977
gmc cargo van the vehicle was windowless
on the sides and had a
large passenger side sliding door
and according to lawrence
when viewing this sliding door he realized that he
or norris could
quote pull up to a teenage girl real close
and not have
to open the doors all the way lawrence and norris
would nickname this fan
quote murder mac and
lawrence and norris they
constructed like a bed
in the back of the van
beneath the bed they placed
tools like a toolbox
they also had
clothes in there and then they got
like an ice cooler
thing and they filled it with beer and
soft drinks
they would drive up and down pacific
coast highway they
would drive to the beach
and at this
point they just kind of like where
testing it out
flirting with girls they said
having a good time
so not long
after they decided
that they needed to give this fan a go
they needed to try it
they needed to see
can they get
a victim sadly
they do i don’t know the exact
the date when they picked her up but it
it was listed at like almost
eight o’clock at night
norris had spotted a sixteen year old girl
um she was just walking
alone on the road
this girl’s name was lucinda
and she was walking because she had just left
like a church meeting in redondo beach
she was walking down
side street
walking home lawrence remembers
norris saying
quote there’s a cute little blonde
so they kind of pull up next to
lucinda and they ask her
hey like do you want do you want a ride
we see that you’re walking it’s getting late
we can give you a ride
and lucinda declines
she’s like hell no
so then they offer her weed and beer
because they had that in
their car and she says no
so this kind of pisses them off they’re like
this isn’t working
they pull up further down the road
and they park
alongside a driveway
and they’re waiting
because they see lucinda
like walking in that direction norris then he exits
the van and he opens the side
sliding door
and he pretends to like work in the van he’s like
sticking out and pretending to kind of
shuffle through things
but really they were just waiting
for lucinda to come walking up as soon as lucinda
walks in their direction up towards the van
norris says like
we don’t know what he says to her he’s just
says a few words to her
but then he drags her into the van
and then slams the door shut
and he turns the
radio up to like full volume
to muffle any
sounds so norris is in the back
and he is bounding
lucinda’s arms and legs and then gags her with
duct tape as lawrence
drove to a road in the san
gabriel mountains
now it said when lucinda was first like
snatched she
was screaming as any of us
would she was
screaming but then she
quickly regained
composure lawrence
wrote that lucinda
displayed a magnificent
state of self control
and composed acceptance
of the conditions of
which she had no control
she shed no tears offered no resistance
and expressed no
great concern for her safety
i guess she knew what was coming
that was a quote
end quote so once i get to this road norris
first was the one to rape lucinda
after instructing
lawrence to
go take a walk and return
in one hour
once lawrence returned to the van he then
asked norris to leave
while he raped lucinda so they just took turns
now it’s hard to know what happened exactly
because norris
and lawrence they have given
different accounts as to
who actually like killed her
but it’s said that they argued over whether they
should kill her
or if they should release her i
guess norris is the one who
tried to strangle
lucinda first
this is what norris
says there was
like a certain look in her eyes that made him
physically sick so he is trying to kill her
she’s making this
face that like really bothered him
so he said he ran to the
front of the van and he
threw up so then lawrence is like well
get out of my way
i’ll go do it so he
goes to lucinda
and he strangles her
she collapses to the ground he then
twists a wire coat hanger around her neck
with pliers
and then he wrapped
loosened his body in a plastic shower curtain
and then they both
threw her her body over a
steep canyon that
lawrence had
selected so norris
would say that lawrence
assured him that the animals
would eat her up
so there wouldn’t be any evidence left
so then on july 8th 1979
two weeks after the murder of lucinda
lawrence and
norris they encountered an 18 year old andrea joy hall
she was hitchhiking
along the pacific
coast highway
now they see
her but they were kind of like behind another car so
they have full plans to pull over and pick her up but
the car in front of them pulls over and they offered
andrea a ride and she accepted
so she gets in this car that’s in
front of them and they drive off
so this pisses
lawrence and
norris off so they decide to just follow the vehicle
from a distance until
andrea had exited the
vehicle in redondo beach
they pull over when andrea had gotten out of the car
and they offer
her a soda or a beer
and she said okay
she opens up the back of the van
and that’s when norris
pounced on her it’s said that andrea
really tried to
fight back she
tried her best but
norris was able to like
twist her arm behind her back
which then caused her to
scream in pain
norris then gagged her
with adhesive tape
and then bound her
wrist and her
ankles lawrence and norris drove to
the location in the sand
gabriel mountains
where they had
taken lucinda
sadly andrea when
they arrived there
she was raped
twice by lawrence
and then norris only raped her once
lawrence then forced andrea to walk uphill naked
alongside the road
and then to
perform oral sex on him before
ordering andrea to
pose for several
polaroid pictures
and norris decided to walk to a
local gas station or something and to go buy alcohol
and then when he returned lawrence
was already
alone and he had
two more polaroid
pictures that he had
taken norris
would say that it was just
pictures of her face
being described as sheer tear
but norris didn’t know
where lawrence
had put her body or like what happened exactly
lawrence had informed
norris that he had
told andrea he was
going to kill her
and challenged her to give him as many reasons as he
could as she
could to come up with
as to why she
should be allowed to live before
sorry for this one
before thrusting
an ice pick through her ear
into her brain
and he did this to each ear
lawrence then strangled her
before throwing her body off of a cliff
there’s like no words for how disgusting
these guys are
so then on september 3rd
lawrence and norris
they see two
other girls
who are named
jackie and jacqueline
and they’re sitting on like a bus stop
bench located
close to hermosa beach
lawrence had
offered the girls a ride they said sure you know
once they were in the van
norris had offered them marijuana
which the girls accepted
before anyone
thinks marijuana is bad
because that’s not what i’m trying to point out
they had it because they knew like it would
bring people into the van
i just know people are
gonna be like marijuana is not why they did this
i’m not saying
that i’m just saying that they had the marijuana okay
shortly after the girls had
entered the van
both of them had noticed lawrence
who was driving the van
he had steered the van
off of the pacific
coast highway
and he was driving
in the direction of the san gabriel mountains
so jacqueline
who was only
13 years old
she attempted
to open up the van door the sliding door because
she just had that gut feeling that this isn’t good
while she’s trying to get up and like open the sliding
door norris hit her in the back of the head with a bag
that was filled with lead weights
so he knocks her
unconscious jackie
who is 15 the
other girl in this car
she sees what’s
going on obviously
freaks out and she
tries to like run out of the van as well
and then norris is able to like
tackle her and hold her down
so then he tries to
bind and gag jackie
but at the same time
jacqueline the
other girl who is knocked
unconscious she regains consciousness
and again she
tries to open up the van door and flee
which she does
she is able
to get out like the couple steps out of the van
but norris is on it and he grabs her he
twists her arm behind her back
drags her back into the van
and the struggle just continues
so lawrence
who’s driving the car sees like the struggle happening
and he pulls the van over he gets out of the van he
punches fucking jacqueline
in the face
and then he assists norris
binding and gagging the two girls they then
drive up to the san gabriel mountains
where they had
taken the other previous girls they
end up staying up there for almost
two days they pretty much her just holding the girls
up there and throughout the two days
they are raping the poor girls
and then physically just
abusing them as well
both men end up
sleeping in the van
alongside both of the
victims or the hostages
with each of
them taking turns working as like a lookout laurens
then walk jacqueline
like onto a nearby hill
and he forces her to
pose for pornographic image
like pictures with his polaroid
before returning her
to the van lawrence also
asked norris to take several polaroid
pictures of himself
and jackie both nude and closed
it’s later said that they think
he kind of forces
norris to take
these polaroid
pictures just in case they ever get caught he can also
blame norris
cause so far all the
pictures were just of
lawrence so in the first of
three instances in which
lawrence raped jackie
he also created a tape recording of himself
raping her forcing
them to pretend that she was his cousin
and just recorded it on his tape recording
the tape recording itself
of jackie and her
abuse it was
never found and then
after almost two days of
being held hostage
jackie and jacqueline
were murdered jacqueline was
struck in each ear with an ice pick
and then she was
sadly the whole
thing is sad
ice pick is sad
she was then strangled to
death and then he forced jacqueline
out of the van
upon exiting the sliding door norris
struck her on the head with a
sledgehammer
lawrence then strangled jacqueline
until he believed she had died
and then jacqueline
ends up opening her eyes
which freaks norris out so he grabs his
sledgehammer and just beats her
pretty he just beats beats her and then
he strangles her to death
the bodies of jackie and jacqueline
were thrown over an embankment into the hills
so then lawrence and norris they abduct
their final victim
who was 16 year old shirley
on october 31st 1979
shirley was abducted as she
stood outside of a gas station
and she was hitchhiking home
from a halloween
party it’s believed that shirley accepted the ride home
from lawrence and norris because she recognized
lawrence you see shirley worked as
a waitress at a restaurant
and lawrence
would come in there all the time and so she accepted
this ride because she was like oh hey yeah i know him
once inside of the van
again they offer shirley marijuana she refused
so then lawrence
drove the van to a secluded
street where norris
drew a knife
then bound and gagged shirley
lawrence then traded norris
places so norris
then just kind of
drives around aimlessly
while lawrence
is in the back with shirley
lawrence decided to
remove the tape that was holding
shirley you know down and whatnot he proceeded to
torment poor shirley i mean he did with all of them
but it seems like with shirley he upped it up
a notch put on his like tape recorder so he
could record the
whole thing
so he’s slapping shirley
he’s mocking her when she’s crying
beating her
over and over
again with his fists and he
is repeatedly
shouting this is according to like detectives and
stuff who heard
the voice recording
shouting at her to
quote say something say something
while he’s beating and slapping her
i guess you can hear
shirley screaming and
shouting and crying lawrence is
shouting for her to quote
scream louder
so then lawrence
continues screaming at her to
scream louder and you just hear
shirley screaming
as any of us fucking would
you know like shit
and then he grabs his
pliers out of a toolbox that he had
in the car he then proceeds to rape her and sodomize
her with the pliers
what the this takes a certain
level of sick
you can’t describe
this you know it’s like
it said that it was lawrence’s idea to turn on the
voice recorder
when detectives are listening to the
voice recorder they hear like that lawrence is
going through the toolbox
i mean you just hear him like
shuffling through
it or you hear him like pulling out different
tools and whatnot
kind of mumbling
and you hear her pleading with him begging
for him to just let her go
so then norris is the one who reaches for the
sledgehammer he then proceeds to
strike shirley
25 consecutive times
norris ends up killing shirley
by strangling her with a wire coat hanger
which he tightened
with the pliers now
lawrence is the one who comes up with this bright idea
discard her body on a
random lawn
in order to view the reaction from the press
he wanted that
media attention
so the pair had
drove around and then they
randomly just
selected a house
and they discarded
shirley’s body
or like on the front lawn
shirley’s body was
found the next morning by a jogger
lawrence would say that the recording
that he made
of shirley during her rape and torture
it offered nothing
other than the evidence
of a threesome
adding that towards the end shirley was
screaming for him and norris to kill her
and that’s why they did it
no words in november of 1979
norris he became acquainted
or reacquainted
with a friend named joseph jackson
and joseph jackson
was a dude was incarcerated with norris
and they became friendly and they talked and
stuff norris
had confided in this individual
as to his and lawrence’s
murders over the last five months
and he included really
graphic details of the murder of shirley and at this
point when he confided
in this guy
shirley was the only victim whose body had been found
and then norris also told this jackson
guy that in addition to the five murders
he and lawrence had committed
there had been
three additional incidents in
which he and lawrence had abducted
or attempted to abduct
young women
who had either
successfully escaped
their attackers or in one instance
had actually been raped but released
when this guy
heard norris’s confession
he went to his attorney
and was like what do i do
but you go to authorities
like what do you mean what do you do
but whatever at
least he went okay
he confided or he consulted with his attorney and asked
him what do i do and his attorney
advised him to go to authorities
so this guy agreed and he and his attorney
went to the lapd a
verdondo beach
detective and his name was
paul was assigned
to investigate jackson’s
claims the detective
initially noted that jackson’s
statements as to norris’s confessions
did match reports on file
several teenage girls who had been reported missing
over the previous five
months in addition
the incident norris had confided to jackson where he
claimed he and lawrence
had sprayed mace
in the face of a woman
and this lady
she had been
dragged into the van
and then raped by both men and this lady had
matched a report that was filed
in relation to an incident
which occurred on september 30th
and in this file report a
young woman
named robin
robin said that she had mace
sprayed in her face before being
dragged into a van
and then raped by two caucasian men
in their mid 30s
and then she luckily
was released we don’t know why but she was
thank god for her you know like lucky
this robin lady
she did report the abduction and the rape to police
but they had been unable to
identify the two men that she had mentioned
but this jackson guy who had been talking to norris
norris told this jackson guy
about the robin girl
so they were like okay if this
robin girl can
say that norris
is the one that got her and whatever like
identify them
then we could have like a lead or whatever
right so investigators go out to
robin who is now living in
organ and they show her a
series of mugshots
without hesitation
robin is able to
identify two
photos presented to her as
those of the men
who had kidnapped and raped her
on september 30th
norris and lawrence
so once they got this positive id
police place
norris i almost said roy roy
his name is roy
but we’re calling him norris remember
under surveillance okay so he’s
under surveillance
and within days of being
under surveillance
they observed
him dealing drugs
on november 20th 1979
norris was arrested by the hermosa
beach police
lease for parole
violation for dealing drugs
that’s weird
how they got him
the same day lawrence
he was staying and
living at a burbank
motel he was then arrested
for the rape of
robin now when they brought
in lawrence
and norris they also brought in
robin to again
id them in person
and say like
you know line them up and say yes that’s them
then when they
lined them up
robin couldn’t one hundred percent
say yes that’s them you know i’m saying like they
looked a little bit different than the images she saw
earlier so she said i’m not
sure i’m pretty positive but i can’t hundred percent
say so police were a little
irritated by this but they
still arrested them because they had violated their
parole lawrence
the one who was at the hotel
he had drugs on him so they got him that way
thank god you know so then
cause there’s more
bitch there’s more
police search
lawrence’s hotel and
while they’re
searching they find a
bunch of polaroid
pictures and on
these polaroid
pictures they see andrea and jackie
remember the
previous victims we had talked
about but they find
pictures of them and
both of them had been reported missing so when they see
these pictures they’re like
bingo got them
and then inside the van
investigators discovered a
sledgehammer a plastic bag
that was filled with lead weights
a book detailing how to locate police
radio frequencies
a jar of vaseline
two necklaces
which were later confirmed to
belonged to two of the
victims and then they
found a tape recording of a
young woman in obvious distress
she was screaming she was pleading for mercy
while being tortured
and sexually abused
sadly the mother of shirley
the last victim we talked
about they played
the voice recording to her mom
and she was able to
identify the voice
on the tape as being that of her
her daughter i mean how
awful to play that tape for her i
i don’t know
that’s i mean
yeah they also
found in lawrence’s motel
seven bottles of various
acidic materials
and later investigators
would discover
that lawrence
plan to use
these acidic materials upon
their next victim
inside norris’s
apartment police discover a bracelet that he had
taken from shirley
also they found
at the homes of both
lawrence and norris
a bunch of polaroid
pictures they were almost five hundred
pictures of different
teenage girls
young women
most of which
had been apparently
taken at redondo beach
and at burbank high
school he they had
taken pictures of
these girls i guess i
guess potential victims
and most of these
pictures had been
taken without the girls knowledge or consent so then
october 30th 1979
norris attended a hearing
in relation to the september 30th rate by this stage
norris was beginning to display
visible signs of stress you
could tell that he was really over it done he was
cracking you
know norris he waves his miranda rights
before being questioned so
initially norris denies
any involvement
in the murders
rapes or disappearances
of these different
women however when he was confronted with the evidence
investigators had
compiled norris
began to confess
although he did attempt to put more of the
blame on lauren
saying it was him it was
his idea he did all the killing i was just there
but norris did confess to
everything he confessed to
them driving around taking
these girls
to sexually assaulting them to killing them to
throwing over the san gabriel mountains
like he was not holding back
he was telling them everything
strangling them with wire coat hangers
taking an ice pick and driving it into
their ears before being strangled
telling them
everything which is honestly
great you know
because most people
would just fucking lie and they
never get a straight answer
investigators question norris
asked like what were you
gonna do with
those acids we
found and norris
said that they were
intended for use upon the next
they abducted
and the acts of torture that had been committed
and was going to be committed
against their
victims were quote
for fun and
quote all right
you nasties
police investigators they do a
press conference
and they go over
everything that they have
found with these two
guys the sheriff also stated that
police had also
identified 19 of the
women from the
pictures as being
individuals who had been reported missing and not
found and that
these teenage girls and
young women may have been
murdered but they had no evidence to suggest
that these additional 19
women that were
photographed
had been victims of lawrence
and norris and neither did them confess to it which is
norris then
brings detectives to the area
where he and lawrence had disposed of the
victims bodies they did extensive
searches of the areas
where he stated the
bodies of lucinda and andrea had been discarded
but their bodies were never
found on february 9th
1980 the bodies of jaclyn and jackie were
found at the bottom of a canyon
just like norris had described
two detectives
an ice pick was
still lodged in the
skull of jackie
so they knew that
norris’s confession and everything was correct
so that in february of 1980
norris and lawrence were formally
charged with the murders of five girls lawrence
was denied bail
whereas norris
he had a bail and it was set at only 10 000
no idea okay norris had accepted a plea bargain in
which he would testify
against lawrence
in return for the prosecution agreeing
not to seek the death penalty
against him which they agreed so
march 18th 1980
norris roy i’m
sorry for calling him norris the whole time
but he pleaded guilty to four
counts of first degree murder one
count of second degree murder
two counts of rape and one
count of robbery in may of nineteen eighty
norris was sentenced to forty five years to life
april twenty fourth nineteen eighty
lawrence remember lawrence
his dumbass wasn’t saying anything he had a
total of 29 charges of kidnapping rape sodomy
and murder in
addition to various charges of criminal conspiracy
and possession of a firearm
and then when he was
asked how he wanted to plead
lawrence remained
silent he refused to answer
any questions and he refused to say anything so the
judge entered a plea
of not guilty
on his behalf
so then lawrence’s
trial had taken
place january 19th of 1981
and of course the star witness
for the prosecution was norris
so norris goes over
everything and says how he became
friends with lawrence
how the both
of them came up with this plan to kidnap rape and kill
teenage girls and then he goes into
great detail
about what he did his own role
norris and then
everything that
lawrence had did
and how lawrence
pressured norris into killing people and then
sadly in court
for lawrence’s trial
they played the 17 minute
audio recording
that the pair had made when they were killing shirley
so on this tape there was shirley’s
abuse and torment
and rape and
everything and they played it
which a lot of people thought was inappropriate
but they fought hard saying that the
court needs to hear how bad
these guys are
maybe like a
not the whole
seventeen minutes i don’t know
like that would just ruin
that could really
ruin your life you know
and there’s no therapy set up for jury people so
norris said that lawrence
had the audio tape and he
would constantly play it
over and over and over in their van
and that lawrence considered the contents to be
quote real funny
there were more than a hundred people present in this
courtroom and they all
heard that tape
and many members of the jury
cried some people walked out and like left
because it was just too much i don’t blame them
it was also noted that lawrence was
laughing and smiling
the entire time the recording was playing so you know
there’s a special
place in hell for
these type of people
february nineteenth
nineteen eighty one the jury had deliberated for
three days and they
ended up fine finding lawrence guilty
of five counts of
first degree murder
one charge of conspiracy to commit
first degree murder
five charges of kidnapping
nine charges of rape
one charge of sodomy and
three charges of unlawful
possession of a firearm
lawrence was sentenced to death
for the five
counts of first degree murder
he showed no emotion
as the verdict was delivered
lawrence was formally sentenced to death
and lawrence of course appealed this decision
and then it went all the way to the supreme
court and the supreme
court upheld this
decision that he be
executed a renewed
execution date was
scheduled for july 23 1991
but lawrence once
again appealed the decision of the us supreme
court that he be
executed and he was
granted a further stay
of execution on july 9 1991
as of two thousand nineteen as of
right now you could
could change but lawrence remains incarcerated on
death row at san quentin
state prison
so he hasn’t even been killed yet he’s still on
death row why does it take so long
like i don’t know how i feel
about death row sometimes
but for this
he needs to die yep sorry
people like that need to just
get him out of here
you don’t even deserve to be in prison
get free health care and food and
stuff no nope
and then of course lawrence
was milking it
and he gave several
death row interviews
he loves it
you know so yeah get him out of here
to this date
he’s never expressed any remorse
for his crimes he
states the only remorse
he feels is for the fact
that he and norris were arrested and it ruined his life
ruin my life i hate him
he ruined my life roy
norris he remains incarcerated at the donovan
state prison
since his conviction he has repeatedly
claimed the sole reason he participated in the murders
was out of fear
of lawrence
you still fucking did it bro i hate i hate these people
you still did it get the fuck out of here
okay so norris was actually up for
parole in 2009
but he declined to attend the parole
hearing so now he won’t be
up for parole for another 10 years
so then in twenty nineteen he was up again like bitch
he came this close to getting out maybe we don’t know
scary but he was denied and he’ll be up
again for parole in twenty
twenty nine
so detective paul
now this is the chief investigator of the
murders have committed by
lawrence and norris sadly
he committed suicide in december of nineteen eighty
seven he was only thirty nine years old he
wrote a ten page suicide note he specifically
referred to
the murders committed by lawrence and norris as
haunting him
and he had this fear that they
could be released from prison
you just couldn’t take it anymore i
guess which is awful
a lot of people want to know what happened to the
audio tapes
because they want to hear them
like you guys are
sick not you guys but like when i was on the internet
researching this a lot of people were like
where are the tapes i want to hear them it’s like
no fuck you
sorry i said it
no but the tapes that they made
torturing surely
they remains in
possession of the fbi academy
and they actually use it to train
and desensitize fbi
agents to the raw reality of torture and murder
which is awful
so that is the story of
lawrence and roy
and how shitty they are
oh and i forgot to mention
some people call them the tool box killers
because they had a tool box
not to be confused
with the toy box that we already talked
about remember
both disturbing
both just deserve to die one of them already did
truth or consequences dude is
the toy box dude is dead thank god
this one was exhausting
so it’s believed
this is where the fear of that
scary like rape van
came into play
that has been
instilled into a lot of our heads for some odd reason
it’s believed that this is
where it came from
this took place
you know in the
seventies but
to this day
be safe out there
i feel like whenever i’m walking
alone one thing i like to do is yell out loud
i have a weapon
because it lets people
know not to attack me but i feel like that’s not the
right thing to do
cause i could get arrested
cause that’s illegal but like
i’m always like if it’s late at
night and i’m walking okay and i hear like
a car coming i’m always like i have a fucking knife
that’s what i do
i don’t recommend that
what if it was a cop
yeah i want to start adding advice
but like i don’t know dude it’s fucking scary
and don’t even get me started on the comment section
to like these interviews and
stuff you can look on youtube and i’ll link some down
below lawrence or even norris
where they’re sitting and they’re talking
about what they did
and the comment section is like oh my god he’s my hero
get better idols
jesus take the damn
wheel will ya
thank you for hanging out with me today i’m
sorry to put a damper on your day with this very heavy
story i’m gonna
write him a letter in prison and be like hey you
piece of shit die
i’ll let you know how it goes
other than that
i hope that you have a really
great day today
oh something just bit me make good choices
please please please please be safe out there seriously
be safe don’t be dumb make good decisions
get better idols just be better
you can do it
i believe in you
let me know your thoughts down
below who you want me to talk
about next week
and i’ll be seeing you guys later bye