hi friends how are you today my name is Bailey
Syrian and today is Monday which means it’s murder
Mystery and makeup Monday
if you are new here hi
my name is Bailey
Sarian and on
Mondays I sit down and I talk about a true crime
story that’s been
heavy on my
again and I do my makeup at the same time
so before we jump into this
story I should add up disclaimer warning
The following presentation is intended for
mature audiences it contains
graphic descriptions of crime scenes
adult dialogue and
strong language viewer discretion is advised
so today’s story is
it’s a little weird
it’s not weird it’s just like I just don’t
understand people I don’t think I will ever
understand people do you
understand people no
I didn’t think so like what the hell is
going on sometimes you know but let’s get into
today’s story
Bobby Joe Stinette you know her
do you know the
story well let me tell you
she grew up in Graham
Missouri now it was said that she was
quiet she was
super kind she was a really good student
and she had a love of
horses and dogs
she and her husband who went by the name Zeb
his real name was
Zebulan they were high
school sweethearts and both of them had
graduated from I’m gonna butcher this nod away Holt
high school in 2000 anywho
so at the age of 23
Bobby Joe she was 8
months pregnant and this was gonna be
their first
child so both of them they’re living in this like
tiny farming town called
skidmore Missouri
now Skidmore had like one restaurant
a few streets are paved and they have a
population around
250 people yeah it’s small
and Bobby Joe
and everyone in the community they all knew each other
so Bobby Joe she worked at the Kawasaki manufacturing
plant and that was in the nearby town of Maryville
she and Zeb
they also ran a dog
breeding business called
Happy Haven Farms out of
their home so on December 15th
2004 She met a woman
named Darlene Fisher
in an online chat room it was like a rat
terror carrier
chat room the chat room was called radder chatter so
Darlene and
Bobby Joe they were chatting
on radder chatter
it’s kind of
funny but it’s not
cause it’s like a sad
story but like radder chatter so Darlene
was interested
in possibly buying a terrier
puppy from their most recent litter
so Bobby Joe gave Darlene her address
and they coordinated a time that they were
going to meet
for Darlene to come over the next day so they’re all
excited not really but like you know
so on the 16th
Bobby joe’s
mother her name was
Becky Harper
she stopped by her daughter’s
house to like
check in on her and she walks in and she finds her
daughter lying on the dining room
floor in a pool of her own blood okay
Bobby Joe was dead
Becky immediately calls
the police and she’s just hysterical
she described her
daughter’s wounds as looking as if her stomach exploded
paramedics were unsuccessful in
their attempts to revive
Bobby Joe and she was pronounced
dead at St Francis Hospital
in Maryville
so an amber
alert was set out
for a red Toyota Corolla that was seen
in the driveway
of Bobby joe’s
house and it was
issued out in hopes of
of enlisting help from the general public
so they’re asking the general public
we need your help finding this car and
initially the amber
alert was denied because it’s
never been used before
in the case of an unborn
child remember
Bobby Joe was pregnant
and when she was
found the baby was missing
so they’re sending out this amber
alert but there’s no description
of the victim that’s missing the baby I mean it’s
never been done before
so they don’t
do you know what I’m saying does that make
sense I hope that makes sense
but they put one out congressman
Sam Graves intervened
and the alert request was
granted so they did
send it out in hopes that somebody had some information
as to at least like had
had anyone seen this car baby’s missing
they don’t know what the baby looks like but
I know like how do you even
solve this I don’t know I
guess like did anyone show up
randomly with a baby
who doesn’t have a baby
I guess that
would be the biggest clue
this is something of like your
worst nightmares I’m
sorry but it is
to be pregnant
and to have somebody not
only murder you
but take your unborn
child like why in the
world what I just can’t believe that there’s
people out there like this this to me is just like my
brain cannot compute this
it just can’t it just really can’t I don’t know anyways
so back at the
crime scene
there was no sign
of forced entry
this told investigators that
Bobby Joe she most likely knew her attacker
whoever it was she let them in
and then there was also evidence
that a gruesome and violent struggle had
taken place so she let the person in
but things just
got real bad
you know I’m saying
it was clear that
Bobby Joe had been
strangled from behind and then she fell
unconscious
blood on Bobby joe’s feet indicated that she at some
point regained consciousness after
her her stomach had been
cut open I know
sorry kind of graphic
so there was enough
blood on the
floor to come up between her toes
and soak into her toenails they also
found like blondish
brown hair in her closed face
indicating that
Bobby Joe put up like a pretty good
fight against her attacker
and I’ve mentioned this before in a previous
video not that I’m like
Jesus or something
but I pray to whatever you believe in
this never happens to you
right none of us
what if somebody’s attacking you this is so
awful but like
maybe if you
think you’re not
gonna get out make sure
to scratch and to
fight your attacker and get
their DNA under your
nails I’m talking just
claw their shirt
under them and get
their DNA under your
nails because if
those people
you’re gonna be
found with the DNA that I’m
about to scratch off of you okay so again
I pray that this
never happens to you
right but scratch the shit out of people attackers
okay so yeah she put up a
fight she got hair
the attacker’s hair so like that’s
I guess anyways
Bobby Joe also had cuts on her hands
which was from defending herself
and then she was also hit on the bridge of her nose
and the right side of her head
during the struggle eventually
Bobby joe’s attacker got the better of her
strangling her
to death before extracting and making off with
Bobby joe’s premature baby I don’t know
what the hell is
going on around here terrifying
um so notaway
County Sheriff
Randy Strong
said that the
scene they found that day was so bloody
he and his 4
colleagues are
still traumatized
by it to this day
can I ask something that I always forget to Google
but I’ve always been curious
for anyone out there who’s like
detective or something and sees
these really
awful crime
scenes do they offer you guys
like therapy and
stuff or do they
or do they not
I really hope they do I would
think they would but
I don’t I don’t have a lot of
faith in the
system taking care of their
employees but
I could be wrong
but I hope they do
cause I don’t know how you
could just be normal
after seeing all this
stuff do you know what I’m saying anyways
so of course
word over on the Radder Chatter
forum about
Bobby joe’s brutal murder was
spreading like wildfire people were talking
were rather chattering it up
one of the members actually came forward and contacted
the police because they remembered the day before
the murder a woman
named Darlene
had contacted Bobby Joe
about buying a
puppy I mean what are the odds
you know so luckily this person did the right
thing so this
woman had come forward
and given police the information
about Darlene
good for her you know
with this information police
quickly tracked darlene’s IP address
to a home out in Melbourne
Kansas that belonged to Lisa
and Kevin Montgomery
Bobby Joe and Lisa met
earlier that
April through dog show events
and they connected
through a shared
love of dogs
they have like ongoing interactions
in the same
online rat terrier chat room ratter chatter
Lisa had confided
to Bobby Joe
that she too was pregnant
leading the 2
women to like chatting online
and exchanging
emails about
their pregnancies and just really connecting over
their love of animals
and also just being pregnant with
their first
child like you
know bonding
the next day December 17th police went out to Melbourne
hoping to question Lisa
about Bobby Joe
when they arrived they noticed that outside
their farmhouse home was a car that
matched the description
of the one listed on the amber
alert now a red Toyota Corolla is pretty
common but you know it’s
still questionable
so they go inside and they find Lisa
just kind of laying around she’s
watching TV
and she’s holding a baby
named Abigail
and they noticed
that this baby Abigail had a cut over her eye
this psycho ass lady I
swear to you
so Lisa told the police the same
story she told her husband the day before
that she delivered the infant girl at a nearby birthing
center in Topeka
and then that morning her and her husband
7 they went
around town showing off the newborn at a diner
at the local bank at a
courthouse at the convenience
store where Lisa worked
just going on a little
parade like look at this baby we got like it’s mine
very bizarre
just I don’t know what’s
wrong with people I don’t know
I don’t know this is a different kind of sick
so when questioned
Kevin admitted
that he wasn’t there for the
birth of this baby Abigail
Lisa had called him asking
him to pick her up and the baby at Long John silver’s
in Topeka Kansas
yeah Long John Silvers okay
and that however he didn’t
think it was strange
because he knew she didn’t like hospitals and doctors
I don’t know you guys
I don’t know
I’m just here telling you a
story but I don’t
freaking know so
later she asked to
speak to officers in private
so she’s like
I don’t want I don’t need my husband here he
doesn’t need to hear this can I talk to you in private
so she tells her husband like go away for a
second I need to talk to them
and she tells the police that she had
actually given
birth to Abigail at home
so it was her baby and
after she gave
birth she took the placenta and she
threw it into a nearby
river because that makes lots of
sense right
so that’s what she had done I
guess that was supposed to be believable
now things of course
weren’t adding up and they bring
Lisa down to the sheriff’s office for more questioning
so they question her for like
an hour or so
and lisa’s story just fell
apart and then she confessed
she told them that she had actually driven
the 130 mile trip
as a test run
on the 15th before
traveling back on the 16th
to murder Bobby Joe
Lisa said that she was
using a cord
she strangled
Bobby Joe and having
spent time watching
videos online of like home
births and C section procedures
she felt confident enough
to like use a
sharp kitchen
knife to cut
her baby out
what the hell
I don’t know
so Lisa obviously was
charged with kidnapping
which resulted in the
death of Bobby Joe
and the baby was safely recovered and returned to Zeb
who renamed her Victoria Joe
so with all this information
who the heck was Lisa
Marie Montgomery
her middle name is
Marie whose middle name is it
Marie everyone’s middle name is Marie why
I need to know
but who is Lisa Montgomery
well it turns out she actually has a very sad story it
doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t be held accountable
for what she did but I
think you know
she had a really
awful life and it makes
sense okay look
the whole like
thing when I do
these videos I like to figure out like
where these killers and bad people come from because I
think it actually makes more
sense as to why they did what they did
you know what I’m saying
and a lot of people confuse that with me like trying to
make you feel bad for
these people
and like you can’t you’re allowed to feel bad for
these people but I
think it makes you
understand why they do the
things they
do and that’s something I’m always personally curious
like what makes somebody
this freaking
crazy you know
cause you’re not just born like this
where does it come
from and that’s
where I am just so fascinated
when it comes to
these stories
anyways so let me do my eyebrows
okay so who’s Lisa well Lisa
she was born
on February 27th 1968
in Melvern Kansas
her mother Judy
to nash’s name
Shay I don’t even know how to say her last name
snatchers no snake
something like that anyways she was addicted to alcohol
okay which caused
Lisa to be born
with permanent
brain damage
so don’t drink when you’re pregnant
step one thank
you lisa’s father was in the military
and he just like wasn’t around much
apparently allegedly
Lisa and her half
sister Diane
they were raised in a home
where physical
emotional and
sexual abuse
from Judy and her boyfriends was like an
everyday routine
sadly they were beaten with rooms and belts
and just really
cruel punishments like taking
their mouths
shut or putting them out in the snow
naked or just like normal
things that they did
to their children
because they’re sick people Diane
later on in life
would describe Judy
as manipulative in just
evil just awful person
she would go on to say that she
enjoyed torturing
the people around her and she got a joy out of it
I just don’t
understand how you
could do that I really just don’t
it’s so sad
so at the age of
8 lisa’s half
sister Diane
was luckily removed from the home by social services
and she was
whisked away to foster care
now Lisa at the time was only 4
and she was left behind with her
mother and her stepfather
I’m not really sure as to why she stayed and the
other one was taken away
that’s just what happened
his other children
later confirmed that
their father was a violent alcoholic
and Lisa was allegedly beaten
and raped by her stepfather
and also by his friends
starting at the
age of 11 so they
would be like the parents
the grown adults here
would be like come on over I have a
child that you can
take advantage
of and do whatever you want with like how
sick are you
I just I don’t get icha
what the fuck
so at the age of 13
while living in
Sperry Oklahoma
lisa’s stepfather
built a special room in
his trailer
he could attack her privately
yeah he would also
store his liquor there
and Lisa turned
that she would
start drinking alcohol
in hopes to find some kind of escape from it all
so when Lisa was 14 her
mother discovered that the
abuse was going on
now as if the
story cannot get any
worse and I’m sorry for
laughing I’m just so uncomfortable because her
mother discovers that
she’s being abused
right her mother
burst into the room
when she’s being abused
by her stepfather like during one of the attacks in the
trailer now instead of being like oh my God my
daughter like how
could you do this let me help my
daughter no instead
she threatened Lisa
with the gun
because she believed her mom believed that Lisa
had seduced
her husband
and Lisa was the one to be blamed here
can you will can you
Lisa described it as like the most terrifying
night of her life not only that she just felt extremely
alone because
nobody had her back nobody was looking out for her
how the hell
do you grow up and be a normal person you know and
again I’m not trying to excuse what
she does in her life because what she did was awful
should not have
done that but like God this poor girl oh my God I just
wanna like punch
her family in the face
it was also around this time that her mother
started trafficking
her she was
allowing anybody
anybody with
money handymen
electricians plumbers
come on over
sexually abuse my
daughter Lisa in exchange for work on the
house we’ve got some
wires up there I need fixing I don’t have any money
but I got a daughter
mother of the goddamn Year award goes to
not her wow
so this is all
going on for a very long time
and Lisa she ends up confiding in her cousin
telling him that men
would tie her up beat her
urinate on her
and for some reason the cousin
I don’t know
how old the cousin was at the time but the cousin
never did anything
about it and I
think a lot of us kind of can get
angry at that like why
wouldn’t you do anything
but when you’re a kid
not all kids but a lot of kids are like terrified
of the adults in
their life they don’t feel confident enough to
speak out you know they don’t have like a safe
space to speak out
so I think that’s why the cousin didn’t say anything
maybe it was happening to them
I don’t know
so Judy lisa’s mom
ended up divorcing her
second husband
and Lisa testified about the
sexual assaults during the divorce proceedings
now the judge in the case he went off on Judy
for not reporting the abuse
yet the judge
never reported the
abuse either so there’s just a lot of fuck ups
going on right
so at one point Lisa
tried to escape the chaotic home by
marrying her step brother his name was Carl
Bowman in 1986
and she was
only 18 at the time she saw as like her way out
but the relationship was not the escape that
from violence
like she was hoping it
would be cause this guy was just as bad as all the
other ones so
at 1.1 of lisa’s brothers
found a home
movie of Carl raping and beating Lisa
he described it as violent
like a scene out of a horror movie
he was just
absolutely sick from
watching it and yet
had no idea what to do or how to talk to Lisa about it
so friends and family
they did notice
that Lisa had a tendency to slip into like a
world of her own
which could easily been
which probably was a sign of like
of a mental illness like her
disconnecting
but they just thought that she was like a daydreamer
she’s just a daydreamer
Lisa and Carl
they had 4 children together in a very
short period of time it was like
bang Bang Bang bang Bang 4 kids
and according to Carl
Lisa love the attention she got when she was pregnant
it’s like everybody seemed to cater to her
makes sense
cause I’ve heard this before from like other
women who are pregnant
like you get a lot of attention when you’re pregnant
it’s something you
never really
think about I’ve
never been pregnant so I never
I could see that
you know and she just
loved that anyways is what I’m getting at
she loved the
attention she was getting when she was pregnant
and then in
1990 when their final
child was born
2 months premature
doctors feared that Lisa
would not be able to
carry another pregnancy to term
so they recommended that she
get her tubes tied
now Lisa was like really
hesitant to do it she didn’t want to get her tubes tied
cause she wanted to have more kids
but her step brother
aka husband and her mom
told her that she needed to do it and like
force the procedure upon her so she
ended up going through with it
Lisa ends up
agreeing to the procedure to get her tubes tied
but she was
bombed she was devastated she wanted to have more kids
I don’t think because she actually liked
the child I
think because she liked being pregnant
which like girl you
could have just gotten one of
those fake bellies and just worn that forever right so
after the procedure
Lisa ends up
claiming 2 different times that she was pregnant
and Carl her husband
or step brother or whatever he is
he’s like you’re
not pregnant there’s no way like you’re lying
you got your tubes tied you’re not pregnant
and Carl is just sick of her shit
so he ends up divorcing her in 1993
now somehow the 2 of them they end up like making
amends and becoming
falling in love
again or something and they get remarried in 1994
and then in
1998 the 2 of them
break up for good
when Lisa took the 4 children to live with
Kevin Montgomery
this new man
Kevin had 3 children of his own and he
lived with his parents
and 2 years
later in the year 2000
Lisa and Kevin got
married so during her
marriage to
Kevin she claimed to be pregnant
3 different times the last time
being in 2004
with a due date of January 16th
so during these
quote unquote
pregnancies
Lisa dressed in maternity
clothes and even told people of like her
upcoming due dates
Kevin was unaware that she actually got her tubes tied
so he believed her each time
she told him that
she was pregnant
I mean he had no reason
to believe like she would be
lying to him
and Lisa eventually had to tell
Kevin that she lost the baby the
first time she told
Kevin that she had an abortion in New Mexico
and then the
second time she told him that there was something
wrong with the baby
and she miscarried and had the body donated to science
now Kevin what’s he
gonna say I don’t
know nothing he’s got nothing to say he’s like okay
because kevin’s former wife said that she was skeptical
when she heard
about lisa’s most recent pregnancy
and that Kevin
he just had really poor social
skills and he was easily manipulated
so Carl her ex husband
planned on exposing her lies when taking her to court
in order to gain custody
of the 2 of
their 4 children together
the custody hearing was set for January 25th 2005
and he was just
gonna tell em all like she’s a liar
make her look bad so he
could take the kids
so in November 2004
Lisa called Carl
to tell him
that she was
going to prove him
wrong and she had an unusual air of
confidence about her
it’s speculated that Lisa
alongside her long history of
trauma and severe mental illness felt extreme pressure
and need to produce a baby in
order to counter
the charge of lying
about her pregnancies
and to stop Carl from getting custody
of the children
so it’s believed that’s why she went
killed Bobby Joe
took Victoria
Joe the baby out of
they keep calling it kidnapping but is that kidnapping
cause in my mind cutting
a baby out of someone’s stomach is not kidnapping
so that’s why they believe this happened
because she needed to produce a baby for the
trial you know
so at a pre
trial hearing a
neuropsychologist testified that head injuries at
least I had sustained some years
earlier kind of damaged
the part of her
brain that controls
aggression and lisa’s original
legal team met
for dinner to discuss the case
there were many challenges that they faced Lisa had
drawn global headlines
when federal prosecutors
accused her of strangling
Bobby Joe to
death slicing open her
belly and kidnapping the unborn baby
and there was really little
to no room for doubt
that Lisa committed the
crime because she was arrested
while cradling the baby in her arms
you know like
this lady is just
insane so the debate at dinner was
sparked by the team
fighting amongst themselves as to who
would be in charge
not how they
would handle the case
the relationships between the 3 lawyers
soured and they eventually all but one
dropped off the case
the judge Judge Gary
Fenner he assigned John P o’connor
and Frederick Dutch Art
to be lisa’s defense attorney
some would even
describe it as the
dream team because like they just always won
their cases like you
would want these people on your side
but John a former prosecutor
was Kansas city’s most successful
go to criminal defense lawyer Frederick had
tried more than a
dozen capital cases
he was also
an attorney who had more clients sentenced to
death in federal
court than any defense lawyer in America
so this Frederick
guy he was extremely busy
he was extremely busy with another case
and at that time he was only able to
visit Lisa 3 times
and Lisa seemed to like really not trust men
for a good freaking
reason but Lisa really didn’t
trust him she didn’t
trust men so in
order to develop like some kind of rapport
with her he ends up sending his wife
her name is Ryland
to visit her in prison
now ryland had no
experience investigating
death penalty cases
her expertise was in
horse therapy
for artistic children
but she’s on the case now and she went to go
visit Lisa 16 times her and Lisa became very close
so as lisa’s
trial date approached in
October of 2007
Frederick was convinced he
could secure a non
guilty verdict by suggesting that
Bobby Joe was killed by lisa’s brother
Tommy and it was Tommy
who gave his
sister’s baby
to Lisa that was the new plan
now unfortunately
just a few weeks before the
trial Tommy
he had an alibi his alibi
emerged and at the time of
Bobby joe’s murder
Tommy had been
meeting with his probation officer
so that little
situation the plan to
blame Tommy
wasn’t gonna work for them sorry
her family now
believe she had been the one who decided to lay
blame on her brother which
revoking their
agreement to cooperate
the possibly
life saving evidence of providing lisa’s life
story of abuse was no longer available
to them from the source
so they had to come up with a new strategy
which was getting Lisa to
admit that she had indeed killed Bobby Joe
but proved that
she was not guilty by reason of insanity
so if her lawyers
could get the jury to believe
as they did
that Lisa suffered from depression
borderline personality disorder
post traumatic stress disorder
and also phantom
pregnancy like that’s a condition
where a woman believes she’s pregnant
even though she’s not
remember we talked
about it in the Bloody Mary
story do you remember
phantom pregnancies
where like a woman
thinks she’s pregnant
and then your body
reacts and you
experience symptoms of pregnancy
such as like
swelling of the belly
your menstruation stops I hate that word
and then also you may feel like movement
in your stomach isn’t that wild so
unfortunately though like this
theory it didn’t stand in
court and the prosecution managed to have forensic
psychiatrist Park dates
who worked with prosecutors
on the cases of Jeffrey Dahmer and the Unabomber
we did both of
those remember
oh my God how many members am I gonna say
anyways they testified that the diagnosis
offered by the defense’s main
expert witness was
voodoo science
and excluded
from the case entirely
on the grounds that it had no
scientific basis
the defense also went on to further
prove that Lisa
knew her actions were
wrong and none of them were impulsive
so with no final
tactics available
Lisa was unable to be saved from
a murder conviction
on October 22 2007 Lisa
she was convicted of murder
and she received the
death sentence
on October 26
lisa’s husband
Kevin and Bobby joe’s
mother Beck
as well as some
other family members
were all at the hearing but no one
spoke to reporters
so of course they’re
trying to appeal the case they don’t want her to die
to get a death penalty
and then during the appeals process
experts examined
Lisa and found that
unbeknownst to her trial jury
her upbringing had left her suffering from
fluorid psychosis
bipolar disorder
and post traumatic stress disorder
she was often disassociated from reality
and as a result
from her many beatings had suffered permanent
brain damage because of all of this
before her trial
neither the prosecution
nor her own defense team had investigated
the relationship between lisa’s many symptoms
and her traumatic history during the
trial the jury
found that Lisa
was unemotional
she showed like no remorse
for her actions
she showed really no emotion
about what had
taken place
and lisa’s appeals team felt that the only
reason for this behavior was because Lisa was taking a
powerful anti
psychotic medication that Lisa deserved an appeal
because she was just as much a victim
as she was the perpetrator
yeah that’s a hot debate
you know that’s
what makes this kind of like an interesting
story because a lot of people do believe that she was
just as much
of a victim
as Bobby Joe
so Frederick responded to the appeal with an affidavit
I can’t say this word
affidavit of over
100 pages defending his
legal proceedings insisting that none
of the issues raised by her appeal lawyers have merit
he felt that the
experience trying over a
dozen capital
cases many involving complex mental health issues
proved he handled the case the best way possible
and that this former clients
appeal lawyers were nothing more than
spoiled selfish
primadonnas
that’s what he said
anyways to make a long
story short here because they
were just trying to like get an appeal and get Lisa
to be able to present in
court that she
was a victim
just as much
as Bobby Joe was for some odd reason she didn’t want
the death penalty
I don’t know why people try to
avoid the death penalty
I would gladly take it over sitting in jail
is that just me
wouldn’t you
sitting in jail for the rest of your life
sounds way worse
anyways I’m
sorry anyways so
they tried to appeal
any way that they
could and they
tried every
which way possible
but they exhausted the appeals process Lisa was
scheduled for an
execution by lethal injection
December 8th
2020 but it was
delayed because her attorney
contracted COVID 19
I know just recently oh my God
so just recently like a couple months ago
January first
2021 the judge
granted a stay of her
execution on the ground that her mental competence
must first be tested
as executing
individuals
with intellectual disabilities violates the 8th
Amendment of the Constitution regarding
cruel and unusual punishments
therefore meaning Lisa
doesn’t qualify for the deaf sentence
this day was then overturned by the Supreme
Court they voted 02:54 and the
execution order was
ordered to be
carried out immediately
not long after midnight January 13th
2021 Lisa Montgomery
was executed at the
prison in Indiana
yeah bye when
asked if she had any
final words
she simply responded with no she is the
first female federal inmate in 67 years to be
executed by the United States
federal government reports confirmed that members of
Bobby joe’s family were present
for the execution but
Bobby joe’s husband
he has not spoken publicly about
that day or really
about anything and that my friends is the
awful story
about Bobby Joe her
awful sad murder
how sick Lisa Montgomery was
and what the fuck
so okay this one’s got me a little confused because I
think naturally like you want to see Lisa as the victim
but she did something really
awful I mean like that takes a special kind of sick
to kill somebody
and then cut
their stomach open
that takes a
different kind of fucking brain okay
right and it’s like yes
Lisa went through some
awful shit but lots of people go through
awful shit and don’t cut stomachs open
you know sorry Lisa
but bye you know I just it’s hard to have
compassion for her when
she did something really really really really really
awful I don’t know how I feel
how do you feel
I would love to hear your guys thoughts down
below do you
think Lisa should have been
executed is she a
victim shit
I don’t know
look in this country
we care more
about getting rid of people than we do helping people
when they go through traumatic shit
so it makes
sense in this country
but if we were a country that put
mental illness and
stuff first I
think she could have been helped
but let’s be honest
here that’s not how this country works we like to just
lock them up get
them out of here you know so it’s like realistically
it would have been nice if she
could receive some kind of help but was it
gonna happen
fucking no because that’s not how this
place works you know
that’s my own opinion and um
I’m sorry but Lisa you
gotta go because that was that was real fucked up
where is Bobby joe’s family now
I don’t know
I didn’t look it up I didn’t want to because
you know they’ve been through a lot
just leave them alone
but other than that I hope you have a wonderful day
you make good choices please be safe out there
and I’ll be seeing you guys later bye