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so today we’re going to be talking about Rose Larner
and what happened to her
and it’s wild it’s weird
it’s rose Lerner
was the second of 3 children to the Lerner family
who lived in Lynxing Michigan
when Rose was 4
her parents decided it was best to get a divorce
and the couple separated
so she would spend time in between both families
house in school
it was said that Rose did pretty well
she got straight a’s and did really well
when it came to
like the grade school spelling bee in 1993
rose was 18 years old
and a lot of her friends and family
would call her a vampire
or like as a joke
it was because she would stay up all night talking
on the phone
or she would be out with her friends at night
just roaming around the streets
so everyone kind of called her the vampire
her family would say that Rose was going through her
angry teenage years
she was mouthy
she was pretty
street smart
but she was very friendly
when she was younger
she was diagnosed as hyperactive
go go go go
go all the time
and the only time she would slow down
was really to sleep
it was said that she would take 3 showers a day
hog the home phone
catch up with her friends
she sounds like an average teenager
besides the 3 showers thing
I don’t know about that
she was very big hearted
a bit of a pain
but craved attention and acceptance
as many do in their teenage years
her mother said in an interview
that if Rose were ever kidnapped
and being held for ransom
the kidnappers quote
would pay me to take her back end quote
rose’s former stepmother
she said that quote
rose wasn’t every mother’s dream
but she was generous
and if you needed anything
she was there end quote
I mean like
at least I didn’t sugarcoat anything
I mean I guess
I don’t know
I was like dang
okay and overall
I mean based off of what I was reading
I don’t know her
she seemed like a really great person
just going through like
the angry teenage years
what I was kind of understanding
rose would spend most of her free time on the phone
talking with her friends
one of those friends that she was always talking to
was a guy named Billy Brown
and they both met when they were in
like 5th grade
after school
they would play tag
they would build that
would play in the woods
around the area
and just were always together
by 8th grade
their friendship was pretty firm
and you wouldn’t find one
without the other
another friend of roses
was a girl named Bailey
I’m always shocked when I hear about another
like another Bailey
who was in a dog you know
there’s a lot of people who name their dogs Bailey
for some reason
anyways doesn’t matter
so Rose and Bailey met in 3rd grade
and they were also very close
hang out all the time
after school
they’d walk around town together
looking for things to do
Bailey said that they would get into a fight
at least once a week
a couple days passed
they would get over
and hang out
like nothing
Bailey and Rose also shared the same birthday
August 19th
anytime Bailey spent the night at rose’s house
they would sneak out okay
and they would walk around the neighborhood
looking for friends to hang out with
or just something to do
rose though
she did have her enemies
okay some would say that
she had a pretty bad mouth
and an even worse attitude
she didn’t care what she said
or who she said it to
when Rose was left in charge
cause her parents were out of town
she decided to
throw a little shindig
where she invited some people
to come over to the house
and hang out
you know throw a little party
parents are gone
this party so
she had her friends come over
they drink some alcohol
and when some girls
who were uninvited showed up
Rose was the one who would stand up
and start some shit
you know when Rose was 15
or 16 years old
her mom actually
I guess she exaggerated her
her daughter’s attitude a bit
so she could admit her
to the Rivendell
Psychiatric Hospital in St
john’s rose’s mom
first of all
her name is also Rose
so I’m just
gonna call her
rose’s mom rose’s mom
was hoping that it would help
calm Rose down
a bit and like
bring some peace
to the turbulent household
because back at home
Rose was fighting
with her brothers a lot
she was throwing
things at them
should be locking them out of the house
and it’s like
30 degrees outside you know
and the kids
would have to break a window
break into the house
it was just
kind of like
there was always chaos
and fighting going on
her mother felt like
she just couldn’t get through to Rose
so she went to the
psychiatric hospital
to get some help
and her mom
was working 2 jobs
so she just couldn’t help her
like she needed to
so when they
first arrived
Rose was a little upset
to say the least
cause she didn’t know
she was going there
and she would end up
agreeing to stay
so after the 3
months though
she actually had really
grown to like it
she was receiving
ongoing counseling
she made new friends
and just overall
like the individual attention
and recognition
she was receiving
from the doctors and staff
and most of all
she felt safe there
but once the 3
months had passed
it was now time for her
to go back home
and it was said that
she was very upset
she didn’t want to go home
she’s like made all
these new friends and stuff
and she found a little love interest
and just didn’t want to leave
but she had to
soon after leaving
that’s when Rose
got her first job
working at KFC
during this time
her mother said that
she noticed
a really big difference
in her attitude
and it wasn’t good
her mom personally
believed that
Rose wanted to be
sent back to the
psychiatric hospital
rose at this time
she was skipping school
she was arrested
for shoplifting
she would bring alcohol to school
things seemed to just be getting
worse one day
Rose and Bailey
decided to hang out
and go down
and play basketball
they like to like
shoot woohoo
what’s it called
shoot hoops but yeah
they decided to hang out
and go play basketball
and that’s when
Like a man came
and he hung out
near the tennis courts
which wasn’t far
and he seemed interested
in them and Like
was watching them
eventually he approached
Rose and Bailey
and started chatting
with the 2 of them
him and Rose
seemed to hit
it off like
right off the bat
and at some point
Bailey felt like
just out of place
like Rose was more
interested in talking
with this guy
and wasn’t so much
into hanging out
with her anymore
so Bailey just decided
to walk home
later that night
though Rose
ended up at
bailey’s house
okay she knocks on the doors
kind of late
and Bailey answers his door
and she notices that
Rose seems to be
very shaken up
she’s crying
she’s just having a hard time
like talking
and that’s when
Rose told Bailey
that the guy
from the park
ended up sadly raping her
yeah they went
they called police
the man ended up
pleading guilty
to a lesser charge
and spent only a
month in jail
we can end there
that’s pretty shitty
she tried to just
move forward
like it never happened
which is just
really sad and I know
some of you are
going to be thinking
like oh well
why did Bailey
yeah Bailey
why did she
leave Rose at the park
with this guy
by herself you know
they were teenagers
she wasn’t thinking
so let me just add that
little disclaimer
if you’re hanging out
with a friend
and a stranger approaches
you guys yeah
don’t leave
your friend
don’t leave
your friend
so at 16 Rose ended up
dropping out
of high school
but she did end up
getting her GED
when she was 17
so Summer rolls around
and she was just
ready for some
freedom again
she just got her to ET
she’s just ready
to have some fun
so rose’s mother
decided okay
let’s set a
curfew for you
so curfew is 1 am
and she also
gave her a pager
to keep in touch
if she needed anything
but this summer
Rose ended up meeting a
local rapper
named John K
Home I think
that’s how you say it
rose’s older brother
remembered that
she really liked him
and she would talk
about him like
he was a god
she was like oh my God
this rapper
he just thinks yay
I do not miss
being a teenager
it’s easy to fall for
these things
for some weird reason
and then you get older
and you look back
and you’re like
god why why
was I obsessed
with this person
she wanted to
do whatever
he wanted to do
he was a little bit older
and Rose really liked John
and John seemed to
really like her
so they just
you know began
to date so Rose
her best friend
Billy and John
they would all hang
out together
and they would
mostly hang out
at billy’s house
in October Rose
asked her mom
if John could
move in with them
because he needed a
place to stay
at first her
mom was like
I don’t like this idea
okay no the
Rose was 18
and she thought
she was an adult
and she pushed back
and eventually
her mom gave in
and allowed
John to move in
and stay with them
her mom actually thought
that John was
really nice
and she didn’t mind
having him around
that is until
she walked into
rose’s room
and she saw
like a bunch
of guns laying out
and there was wads upon
wads of cash
yeah allegedly
yeah allegedly
John was making
all of his money
or most of his money
as a drug dealer
so as any parent would
she kicked him out
of the house
and this was
the beginning
of the downfall
because when John was
kicked out of the house
that’s when
he started to
distance himself from Rose
and they’re
just relationship
in general John
was no longer
calling Rose up
giving her any
time of day
and essentially just like
ghosted her
or was trying to
rose was deeply
upset by this
John was dodging her
and she knew it
so John was
ignoring her
and this seemed
to just fuel
her fire okay
the more he
ignored her
the more passionate
she got at getting
his attention
in November
there was like
a party going down
and it seemed like
all the kids
from the town
were going to it
and Rose knew
that John was there
so she showed up
some kind of
argument went down
and Rose ended up
ramming her van
into john’s truck
John told Rose
if you don’t
leave me alone
I’m going to
kill you but
Rose wanted
answers okay
and she couldn’t
seem to stop
December 6 1993
Rose she worked a
night shift
at her job and
she ended up
getting home
around 11 30 p
m Rose went
straight to
the dining area
and she called
a friend on her
the house phone
and her brother
who was sleeping
on the couch
remembers rose
getting into a
small argument
with whoever
she was talking to
on the phone
he had no idea
what it was about
or who she was
even talking to
after Rose hung
up the phone
she told her brother
that she loved him
and she headed out
it was like
30 degrees outside
but that didn’t stop Rose
from walking
down the street
to the convenience store
that her mom
worked out so
around 1 30
in the morning
Rose shows up
at her mom’s work
her mom said that
she knew something
was off like
she seemed upset
but it was late
and it was cold
so she insisted
that Rose take
the family van
instead of walking
around that night
rose pushed back
and insisted
like I’m fine
I’m just gonna
like hang out
with some friends
tonight don’t
worry about me
so she told
her mom that
she loved her
and then she left
to go hang out
with friends
so the next morning
at around 8 AM
rose’s mom she just
had this weird
gut feeling
that something
wasn’t right
rose was not home
and that feeling
was really heavy
so she ends up
calling up the
local police detective
she’s telling him
that Rose is
missing her
mom didn’t have any
details to give
other than her
gut feeling
was telling
her something
was terribly
wrong and that
mother’s just
they just know
so about a day goes by
and there’s
still no Rose
her mom was
driving around
the streets
where she would
hang out normally
with her friends
nothing she called
Billy Brown
remember her friend
and she learned
that he wasn’t
home either
so instantly
she’s thinking
okay rose must
be with him
because like
they’re always
together so
she’s probably
with him she told
billy’s mom
I believe it was
hey can you
like have him
call me once
he gets home
or ask him like
if he’s been
with Rose at all
and she says
okay and then
that’s it a
day goes by
Billy ends up
calling up rose’s mom
to tell her
that he hadn’t
seen her in
a couple of days
and that he
had no idea
where she was
friends who had
normally talked
to Rose daily
hadn’t heard
from her since
December 7th
and again Rose
was on the phone
all the time
and in contact
with her friends
non stop so
her mother had
that feeling
that she was
gone and would
most likely
never see her again
helicopters
searched the area
police searched
all over on foot
nothing ever
seemed to come up
so police asked
for help from
the community
like if they have
any information
please come
forward send tips
something so
tips start to
roll in okay
someone thought
to have seen her
at a local mall
someone else
heard that she
was beaten to
death with a
baseball bat
another caller
said that Rose was
in the river
more tips kept coming
and over a hundred
of them had
mentioned 2 names
Billy Brown
and John Kehoe
kaho kaho I
don’t know so
those names
kept coming up
nobody seemed
to have real
proof other
than they heard
at a party or
from a friend
that those 2
were involved
mm hmm Billy
Brown ended up
being brought in
for questioning
he kept saying that
he had nothing
to do with it
he didn’t know
he didn’t know
what to tell them
cause he had no idea
where Rose was
investigators
said that they had
talked to him
enough times
to know that
they were talking
to someone who
was involved
somehow I mean
it was obvious
to them that
he was lying
but he also wasn’t
cracking so
they had nothing
on him so the
months just
keep going by
and there were
still many searches
going on by air
foot and they
were searching
all the local
water areas
that they could
as well and again
nothing was
ever turning up
I poked myself
in the eye so
then in April
1996 guess who
called up detectives
well it was
Billy Brown
of course so
he calls up
detectives and
he’s like hey
can you talk
so Billy said
the night that Rose
disappeared
that night involved
drugs sex murder
and body parts
inside the home of John
the previous
boyfriend’s
john’s grandparents
house so Billy
told them that
they drove out
to john’s brother’s house
his name is
Tim and they
hung out there
to lay low so
Billy who was
now 20 said
that he was
not the one
who killed Rose
John was so
Warrens quickly followed
charging Billy
and john’s brother
Tim with being
accessories
to murder and
John being the
one who was
actually charged
with murder
John though
he seemed to
get word that
a warrant was issued
for his arrest
and he fled
police went out
to the house
that Billy was
talking about
it was john’s
grandparents
house inside
the bathroom
crime lab experts
found a single
drop of blood
that later through
DNA testing
would confirm
that it was
indeed from
Rose oh yes
baby oh yes
3 years later
a little speck of
blood inside
of the bathroom
linked I mean
mm hmm so police
continue to
search for John
and his brother Tim
they were able
to determine
that they fled
to Mexico so
investigators
in Mexico located Tim
and they did like
a little stakeout
waiting for
him to lead
them to John
which he does
and in 1996
Mexican authorities
arrested John
and Tim and
sent them back to
Lansing Michigan
according to
Billy Brown
here’s what happened
exactly that
night buckling
kitty cats cause
it’s horrible
horrible on
December 7th 1993
Rose called
up Billy and
asked him to
get a hold of
John to see
if they could
all hang out
and smoke some weed
have some sex
and do some
average party
things I guess
at some point
John picks up
Rose and Billy
around 3 am
after driving
around for a bit
John pulls over
on a dark road
him and Rose have sex
in his truck
while she rested
her head on
billy’s lap
I’m not sure
but it’s according to Billy
what happened
so once they
left there they
stopped a store
that was on
the way to john’s
grandparents
house okay so
John tells the crew
like hey I just
wanna run inside
really quick
grab some things
for tonight’s
festivities
Billy said he
later learned
that the bag
contained a
fillet knife
2 bottles of charcoal
lighter fluid
a hatchet and
some trash bags
I feel like
grocery stores
for at least
like the checkers
they need to
have like a
panic button
so when people
are buying some
really shady
looking items
they could push the
the panic button
red flag it
I don’t know
what the button
would do yet
I haven’t thought
that far ahead
but I think
it would be
a great idea
so the 3 of them
drive out to john’s
grandparents house
they were away
at the time
so when they get there
John had busted
out his supply
of marijuana
and cocaine
Billy said that
Rose and John
had sex again
and then all
3 of them decided
to take a shower
together I think
I think they were
trying to have
a threesome
or something
I’m not sure
I guess it really
doesn’t matter
because they take
a shower together
and then all
3 got dressed
in the bathroom
and John stepped out
for a second
while Rose and
Billy brushed
their wet hair
from the shower
you know so
John comes back
into the bathroom
and he’s holding a
cord yes he’s
holding a cord
and he slips it
around rose’s
neck now Billy
said that rose
started laughing
because she
thought that
John was just
like playing
around until
he pulled the
cord so Rose
ends up falling
to the ground
gasping for air
and the only time
Billy stepped
in was to ask
John why he was
killing her
and John said
that bitch has got to
go and that’s
what’s going to
happen end quote
minutes later
Rose was dead
on the bathroom floor
once he knew
that she was dead
John picked her up
and put her
in the bathtub
where he grabbed
his knife and
cut her throat
after doing
this John and
Billy did some
cocaine together
and then John
returned to
the bathroom
to do some more
business he
grabbed a hatchet
and a block of wood
and began to
cut up Rose
just like no
like nice way
to say that
you know he
started with
her arms then
cut her feet
and hands and
then he came
back out of
the bathroom with 1ft
sticking on a knife
holding it up
for Billy to see
John then put her body parts
into the basement fireplace
burning them until they were just cinders
afterwards they cleaned up the house
put the remaining body in a trash can
grab some shovels
a trash bag
10 gallons of gasoline and left
Billy and John drove about 100
miles to billy’s family property
it was far away
and it was pretty secluded
and they wanted to burn what was left of her body
until there was nothing left
John and Billy dug a hole in the ground
and laid a bed of logs in the pit
they unloaded rose’s midsection onto the pit
and poured gasoline all over it and lighted a fire
they burned what was left of rose’s body
for about 10 hours
Billy said that at one point
John took some of her burned flesh from the pit
put it on a piece of bread with some mustard and ate it
he said it was just for the experience
I just feel like
when people want to experience something in life
it doesn’t involve mustard and flesh
I’m always amazed when I do
these stories
you know you know
what I wanna experience the Grand Canyon
I’ve never been before
okay when the fire was done
the 2 filled the garbage bags with rose’s ashes
and then they spread them the ashes along the roadside
and highways
all the way to Big Rapids Michigan
this is where john’s brother Tim lived
and that’s where they were heading
when they got there
Tim told the boys not to worry about the gasoline
hatchet and shovels in the car
and that he would take care of it
so they just kinda like
tried to lay low a bit
but they also sat down and decided like okay
what’s our alibi gonna be
you know fast by police
and they both or they all came to the decision
to say that they were at tim’s place
the night Rose vanished
Billy ended up being offered a lesser sentence
if he decided to testify against John in court
several months later
during john’s trial
Billy did indeed testify against him
in exchange for a year in jail
for being an accessory after murder
a year in jail
but John ends up taking the stand
at his own trial
and he was swearing up and down
just repeatedly
that he did not kill Rose Larner
John claims that he is the innocent one
and the only proof they had on him
was Billy brown’s testimony
but that Billy was the one who actually killed her
and when he realized
that investigators were coming for him
Billy ended up getting 2 investigators first
to set his story straight
and blame John
so that was john’s defense
that Billy was the one who actually did
what he was saying
does that make sense in the end
John would end up being sentenced to life
without the possibility of parole
one thing that really rubbed everybody the wrong way
when they were watching this trial
was that when John received his sentencing he laughed
so it wasn’t
it didn’t help his case
you know earlier this year 2020
John who is now 45 years old
he’s trying to get a new hearing
to discuss his original trial
due to COVID
though things got put on hold
but John stands by the fact
that Billy was the one who did it
all fueled by anger
because Rose had rejected Billy for sex
several times
on the day of her death
John said that he was the one who was
nothing more than accessory after the fact
in rose’s murder
Billy on the other hand
Billy he stands by the truth
saying John was the killer
and that he helped cover it up
so John wouldn’t try to kill him next
these arguments are
expected to be a part of the new trial
if the new trial is even awarded
and oddly enough
it’s so weird
John has been active on social media
I believe it’s his fiance
who is in charge of posting for him
like it’s like
a podcast and a blog
and Instagram
yeah but it’s all dedicated to proving his innocence
and you know
I looked through it
and what not
and it’s like
I was just kind of waiting for a smoking gun
and they’re really not
that I could find one
it was his word against
billy’s word
and billy’s word
against john’s word
and then the speck of blood
in john’s grandparents house
like that’s really what they
have at first
I kind of wanted to believe it
cause I was like
you know what
that could be it
because Billy was
like the friend
maybe he was jealous
but when John
first got word
that there was a warrant issued for his arrest
he tried to flee right
so he went from Chicago to Denver
Denver to El Paso
and then he went to Mexico
and this is
according to his own blog
so it’s like sir
if you’re innocent
why are you running okay
he seemed to have a lot of money
if you are innocent
why not just use all that money
that you have
to get a good attorney
instead of running
I’m sorry but running
just doesn’t help your case
it makes you look guilty
so allegedly
he was making just a lot of money
with his drug hustle you know
so it’s like
why not use that
I just don’t get it
I just don’t understand
people’s actions sometimes
I don’t think any of us
Joe either way
it’s just a really sad
sad story right
rest in peace
to Rose Lerner
and I hope her family
and friends
have found or find
peace and happiness in life
let me get on my soap box
really quick
I personally believe that
John and Billy
should be in prison for life
because what the fuck you guys
you didn’t just kill her
you cut her up
one of you ate some of it
with mustard
and I don’t care
if one of you
didn’t actually do it
you still allowed it to happen
and didn’t go to police
until a couple years later
so you both fucked up
and you both
should have been sent to prison for life
or at least
for a long time
what the fuck
I think John
probably got jealous
that Billy only got a year
that’s probably
and he’s like
oh actually
that was me
and that my friends
is the awful
tragic story
about Rose Larner
and I would love to hear your thoughts down below
I just feel bad for Rose
because when she
first got like
when she was raped
when she was
at the park
playing basketball
that person only got a
month in prison
if Billy did do it
then he only got a year
this John guy
trying to get out to
like I feel bad
I poor thing
but other than that
I want to say a big
thank you to
you guys for hanging out with me
today anyways
I hope you guys
have a wonderful rest of your day
you make good choices
let me know
who you want me
to talk about next week
but other than that
I’ll be seeing you guys later bye