the joe rogan experience
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have you ever seen one of these things before no i’ve
never seen no one has had sex with us is
clean you can feel it it’s very
it’s amazing amazing device
american ingenuity at its best wow
what you do you heat it up in a microwave
i don’t recommend that
i think that could
wow damage your penis
you know what
did you see they call it like the jerk
off cups they have like cups in japan
you and you there
i swear to god
it has a little
like cellular
thing on it you know so to keep it moist and
and there’s
a little hole in it and it’s actually you can use it
and then throw away my buddy
yeah we went up to the
room my buddy goes
right away he says
man they’re reusable i say
that’s that’s that was not
right the best was
that my other friend he forgot it
in a little
paper bag and there were some poor
magazines in
the bag also so when we left up i was at the
tokyo in hilton
the hilton hotel
we walked up and this little girl
goes like sir you forgot your and she looks in there
and she looks at my body she’s like a
shark and he goes yeah
i know so she knows exactly
what it is exactly what it is it’s very common in
japan too because
there are a
bunch of freaks over there
right and they’re only this small
wow yeah so
what happened the
whole cup so your
penis can only go in
it’s for small penises i
guess you have to make a hole at the
other side yeah well how’s that work
yeah it’s not designed for american or
dutch cocks
right for those
who don’t know who we’re talking to this is
a true mixed martial arts
legend a real pioneer
boss rooting
was a former
ufc heavyweight
champion and when i
first saw boss
fight i saw you
fight back before
there was any real good
striking in
mixed martial arts
mixed martial arts was
a lot of it was you know karate
guys that weren’t that good you
know there was a few people that were just wild and
crazy that were getting in there and trying it
and there was pancreas was
going on over in japan
and a buddy of
mine had sent me a tape
and they’d said
i forget who
gave me the tape but he goes you
gotta watch this
motherfucker boss root and
it’s finally a guy
who’s over there that knows how to
strike and you were
ballasting guys like in pancreas
it was a lot of like they had these
shin pads on for
folks who haven’t seen it
and you weren’t allowed to
punch to the face
but you could use open palms
so what boss figured out how to do
was pull his hand
way back so he was
punching with his palm
where everybody else was doing
bitch slaps
boss was blasting guys with straight
right palms and
knocking them
unconscious
and body kicks
they just couldn’t believe how much pain they were in
you were one of the
first guys from holland
that you know that hard dutch
style of kickboxing to
enter into mixed martial arts
i worked i used that already palm
strikes when i was a
bouncer because i
didn’t like to mess up my face so and i always thought
you have a way longer reach
like for instance
the left hook
right straight you know that combination
it’s great but if you
if you connect with the left hook you’re too
close for the straight punch
you see and the longer the
punches the more
power it has
so i said why don’t i hit with a palm
you know because
then it becomes almost as long as my straight punch
so the straight will have more effect
you know and then people
started thinking i said if
you hit behind the ear if you can see when i’m fighting
i’m hitting
right here just behind the ear at the jaw
where the jaw starts
and if you tap
it there yeah you’ll drop well you’re one of
those guys too you analyze different ways to attack
opponents and that’s why you’ve got all these
videos online of
self defense techniques and bars
if you haven’t seen
these videos have you seen them the
music video ones one i
love fucking
fantastic no
sorry i’m not
sorry bang bang bang
oh looky look what we got here how did that get
started how did you
start doing
those it was the funniest
thing i made the big
boss rudan’s big books of combat
and then the
i promised that the
first 300 people
were going to get a
self defense
book a small one a
small book like
50 pages book or something
but then this guy
screwed me over with the books
and when that all happened you know
i left this guy but i came back to him i said listen
i told the people that the
first 300 were
gonna get it and i
wanna keep my word
but i don’t
wanna do anything with this guy anymore because
you know it took too
much for me already so anyway we said why don’t i make
a video we do an instructional dvd
and then we give that to the
first 300 people oh that’s
great and she
said what do you want
to say well get the camera
it was like totally non scripted
you know when we
started at the bar how
funny was that you know that i go around the bar and
i see a little
what do you call it a
saucer or something i said okay well this you can
throw at him to distract you can
break it now he’s got sharp
edges you can slice him
you know and then
when i go through that
thing that holds the receipt you know that pin
i grab and i look at the
thing and i go
i don’t need to tell you what you can do with this
it was the funniest
we had to stop so many times that we were dying
that’s all one take no preparation
nothing well see you don’t have to worry
about things you
think like that all the time yeah
and being a
bouncer that is one
one i’ve never been a
bouncer but i
did well i actually did work as a
bouncer at a concert
place at great woods it was a concert center and
there was a lot of
fights as concert
constantly dealing with fight
but that’s different than a bar
because a bar
is more dangerous is more contained the concert
places big and wide open it was an outdoor venue
you know when
you’re at a bar you must have seen a lot of shit
especially in holland
holland’s a fucking
crazy place it is
it is a crazy
place you have to
watch out then
you know i wasn’t in that era that they really
started to come with the weapons
i was always fortunate you know to
the big guys
would come in
and they would actually give
their guns to us
you know we put them to the side
and when something
come in with
their guns oh yeah and they
will be put restored them for them before they went in
holy shit yeah it was
crazy you know i
had one guy it was a it was high up
there was actually cool because
i worked there only for like two weeks it was a big
place the galaxy
and set token boss
and a very known
place it gets big they
had some epic
fights there man
really cool and
this guy works at anyway
something broke out and
right away the
big guy the the guy was on top of the ladder
he grabbed me from the front
and he bear hug me
and he says we’re just gonna
stand like this
and i said whoa is this i just want to take the
the worst one the most dangerous one i just want to
hold you like this so that was kind of a
compliment because all the
other bouncers heard it
they go like who’s this guy you know and then
the world starts to
travel you know how it goes
so holland the
fights that happen in holland in
bars it seems to happen a lot with
mma guys i know you’ve been in a
bunch of them alastair over him
fucked up his hand
botter hari got in a big one
no it’s just constantly a kickboxers and
mma guys are always getting bar
fights it’s the
bouncers the
bouncers really think
that they can do something and i don’t know why maybe
it is because they got more of them and they
think you know
so they give you shit they
wanna they give you shit
cause they know who you
are it’s all
yeah do you find you like
do you find that because of you have such a
reputation do you find it like guys get
drunk and then they
wanna test themselves
with you that happened i i had that
till that whole bar
fight in sweden happened
and after that
for some reason i
never had it anymore
and what was the bar fighting
suite because that was
very famous
like that was the internet what happened with that
well i walked in
and what year was this
oh god i don’t know
it was like
ninety six or
seven so you
weren’t the ufc
champion then when
did you win the
ufc was it 99 99 i think yeah
so but they
they recognize
about you from kickboxing from
mma you were already
famous in the
mma world and
you know the
oh yeah yeah i was there for seminar people knew me
and the bounce was
right away when i came in to
say hey ruton stay calm tonight and there was a little
alarm bell going off in my mind
you know maybe i shouldn’t go in but i go huh
i was drunk already
why not right
so i go in with my buddy
crazy friend from holland
not a house and
and sure enough they started
they certainly
asked me because
i’m jumping around and having fun you know hey what’s
up hey what’s up everybody you know me man i
tried to make friends with everybody
try to speak swedish
you know and
they they said can you come with us
so we go to
these two doors through
these two doors and there’s a big fire
stairs like a marble
stairs giant
and he says well we want you to
leave i said why
i said well you’re you’re too much
energy you’re flopping around it’s not good you you’re
bothering the customers
i said sure okay
but can you tell my friend my
buddy is over here he’s also from holland
can you tell him that i’m gone because otherwise
you know he can’t find me
so this they didn’t
expect that they they thought i was
gonna do something of course so he pushes me
and i said why would you push me i said i
wanna go it’s okay you know i don’t want any trouble
and he stopped putting his finger on my chest
which is something i really can’t stand
right so i said okay don’t touch me because if
you know if you do that again it’s
gonna go wrong and sure enough they were looking for a
fight of course
he did it again so i pushed him
and another guy behind him jumped over him and he
stabbed the finger in my eye and said guys
come on let’s stop this right now i don’t want to
boop my other eye
and there i went boom
and that guy went down
he went down like one
punch i’ve never seen anything i
heard him over the music
i heard that
yeah that was the wildest thing ever
and then they had these little
microphones right so
yeah i don’t know but fast it was like
it was five guys four five guys
and they start fighting and the guy that i
knocked out constantly because he would wake up
right and everything went good and went good
but then i started realizing wait a minute
these guys are gonna come back up all the time you know
this is gonna come to an end they
gotta get the hell out of here
so you knocking them down
so you’re hitting them they’re falling down everyone
that’s coming at you you’re not now but you realize and
you got to get out of here i had to get out of there
and there’s one part
until this day i have no clue what this was i’m falling
against the wall
and there’s a hole in the wall you know with a little
like bar in
front of it and there’s
broomsticks
broomsticks
but no brooms on
broomsticks just
so i’m grabbing one but
right away when i grab one i
think to myself i said
if i grab one they
gonna grab one
so i leave it
and it could
but they passed it
and they all took a
freaking broomstick
and i go oh you know
we were fighting
five guys with
broomsticks it was wild and then
i had to get
get the hell out of there so i went all the way down
and i remember
till this day it was a door that you know one of
these copper
things that
you have to push in and then you open up so i
click and it’s closed
and i’m go okay
and now what
you know so i turned around and i thought okay now i’m
gonna go only for the eyes
i’m gonna hit him in the throat
i’m gonna kick him in the balls that’s the only
thing i’m gonna go for now and they looked at me
and they all step back
so i go whoa
they can see i mean business right
but behind me is the
whole police force
outside because there were windows
so they they
throw me in jail
and because
apparently one of
those monsters was a cop
and yeah and i
knocked him out of course also but he’d
never told me that he was a god
but otherwise i
wouldn’t have done that
anyway we’re there and this is also this is actually a
funny story
because before this all happened i’m talking to my wife
and i’m already tanked right
she says why are you
laughing why you have so much fun i said
honey i’m drunk
i’m having a lot of fun she’s no
you’re there with two swedish blonde girls huh i said
honey don’t
worry about you know me if i’m
drunk you know i don’t care
about anything
especially not that
i just want to have fun so
after two days they allowed me to get my
first phone call
and i’m calling my wife and she’s
freaking out i said
honey you got to be okay
relax relax i say i got some good and some bad news
so you want to hear
first she’s
the good news i say
i didn’t fuck two swedish girls
she says the bad news is i mean jill
she gonna hate me before the story because every time
she’s not funny i think that’s a hell of a story
you got the movie
yeah true story that’s an outstanding story
so how did you get out of the country what happened
you know what
i asked them if they press charges and they said no
so i said okay i’m not gonna press charges either
but apparently they did press charges
and then i had to go to court so i get this lawyer
and also you know they
drive me from the normal police station to jail right
this is like a move joe you drive into a mountain
and the road stops in the middle of a mountain
you get out this elevator
like two elevators i don’t know
about good when elevator i go like four stories up
i go out take another elevator go like two down
go out take another elevator
go like six up
i go oh my god where am i you know
was some weird jail with
i was sitting there with like murderers and rapists
it was the wildest thing ever but
all the guards knew me
so i had a vcr
i had coffee cookies
i was playing guards with the
guards they actually gave me my phone they said oh
cool you know
yeah it was nice
so then the lawyer comes the lawyer goes i say okay so
when can i go you know and he said well
you’re probably gonna get like six to nine months
i said whoa
back up now
i said what he said yeah one of them was a cop
i see you’re kidding i said but they
started you said well they
fight against one you know
you can’t say anything so
anyway it went to court and then
my friends some friends of sweden they
started they talked
apparently they talked to those guys
and i said man come on
take your charges back and that’s what they did
and then they never go wow
you imagine six months
yeah that was weird man that was like a
movie like that
movie with the guy from highlander remember
he made a movie one time in a jail
somewhere really weird
remember that the chair was in a mountain that’s
crazy it was in a
freaking mountain that’s
crazy and then
when you had to
let you know to go
your one hour a day
it was like a circle
and it was divided like a pie
like an eight
and but with a fence like you
see fence like that in
eight so you
would you have a
piece of pie let’s say
you know that
space to yourself
from here to you to the wall there wow and then
another guy
right next to you that
right there
and you’re not interacting
with them you’re not in the same jail as them
not in the same cage as them
no not in the same cage everybody has
their own room yeah
how weird that was wild
yeah scary stuff
because it’s funny now
but at that moment it’s really not sweden
this is where it happened in sweden in sweden
this is the
place where all this shit is
going down with wikileaks
where they’re trying to put that guy in jail
for rape because he had sex with a girl and the condom
broke and he didn’t tell her
sweden is a strange
place and they take like violence and
crime very very seriously over they had
just a suicide rate is the highest in the
world really yeah
japan is too but sweden is one
wow wow why is that why sweden
like chicks are so hot yeah that seems like they
would cut back a lot
you know what actually brazil
who’s killing themselves in brazil the girls are so hot
wait yeah you know what i mean it’s like
the flight over that was a
funny story too because i
would call my crazy
friend from holland
right so we we
we get tanked on the
plane and and
and he says i got to go to the restroom
and i said well don’t you know but he sits here the
aisles next to me
and he sits on the other side
he say well
but they just turned the
light on because we’re landing i said
what are you
gonna do to get to stop the
plane and say go take leak man
so he goes up and
it’s like walking up you know because we’re going down
he goes to the restroom
and people complaining complaining you know and
finally he comes back
and he wants to get in this is before 911 okay
he wants to
get in i say no you can’t go in and i look to the
front and i see the
pilot there this is true
story joe i
swear this and the
pilot at the door
is open i say i want you i let you in if you go to the
front and touch the
pilot’s head
and he says okay
so he’s still walking down here
like this oh
no and he put his hand
on yeah on his head
and people like oh you can’t do this with but not
not as bad so and for some reason
they let us into the country wow yeah
that was the ones can you imagine that happens now no
we’re gonna
shoot you if you shut your if you won’t shut your cell
phone off they’ll put you in jail yeah
yeah yeah those
will turn the
plane right around and you know
wow so this is nice you say 96 97 yeah
about that time
i remember when you
could get on a
plane with just you didn’t even have you have
to have a driver’s license
that’s all you had to have
you know what you didn’t even have to have a driver’s
license i remember when you didn’t get on a
plane with nothing
you just go on
with a ticket
that’s what i meant
when i used to compete when i was doing taekwondo
tournaments we
would fly oh
i had a ticket
i didn’t have a driver’s
license they
told me to canada for a long time you
could go with your driver’s
license too
right to canada yeah to
canada and to mexico
but then the united
states started being douchebags
about it and
you know they
would cut back on
mexicans and canadians coming
over here and so they made it more difficult and so
canada and mexico
made it more difficult too but yeah when i
first used to go to montreal
when i used
to do the comedy festival up there i didn’t have
a passport you got
trouble at the border there all the time
in canada never for some reason they always
get me out i have no clue why that is me too i have
no clue well it’s your record
they find your record i mean
if you have an
assault like what happened in
sweden but what happened in sweden
no that was not because they went to
court and they
threw it out it
doesn’t matter
the fact that you got arrested and you went to
court and all that and you were in a jail
for a little bit even if there’s no charges that stick
they still have that on your record like
eddie bravo got arrested once
for legally having a gun
he got pulled over
for a traffic violation this one he was working for a
check cashing company needs to
carry around
a big bag of cash with them and he had to
carry a gun with them
and it was totally
legal but he had done something
like not stopping at a stop sign or something like that
so they pull
him over he said i just want to let you know
i have a gun a loaded gun in the car because i do this
they arrested him
they released him
because you know it was all correct they check his
paperwork it’s all good
doesn’t matter
every time he goes to canada
every single time he gets pregnant
pulled aside
and they check his shit
and they ask him questions and it takes like an
extra hour and a half i got
stuck with him the last time i went to it’s
annoying it’s really
annoying yeah and he
had no record i mean he did nothing
you know and never
stuck as a record but just the fact that he was even
arrested yeah
yeah just big
roided guy one time
standing there all
messed up when you go to get any
rights in the back
swear to god
i look at him
and say rights is perfected
perfected man
that’s what you said
straight in the eye it’s funny
yeah and i did that same line or nothing
i did that same line
twice also in america
same thing i came back from japan same
could be the same guy
same thing you said you got any
rights i mean
why do they ask me did ever ask you they always ask
me they always ask me
brian’s on yeah yeah
but you yeah you know but come on
he’s run just
to be a man
it wasn’t on roy to be a girl
who asked that
yeah it’s roy’s in the bag the
funny thing is you
could say that roy’s are for faggots and
he won’t say anything because no guy on roy’s ever once
admit they’re on roy’s yeah even
the biggest fucking
most gigantic
ridiculous human beings ever
like i’m just doing a lot of
creatine i do
power lifted i eat
six meals a day
how much pork what was that the guy took that
sarom skis no no no not sarom skis the
strongest man
puts you now
ski puts in asking
they were saying that he ate
like candy and bacon
12 pound of bacon or
something like a
day something sick
he turned purple
did you see that guy when he fought
tim so yeah
he got purple like the
weirdest color
yeah yeah it’s not good
his bodies your body’s not supposed to look
like that it’s not supposed to that is not a fighters
build you know when you see these guys
like there’s guys in the
ufc a lot of times in
their first couple
fights you’ll
see them they come in they’re just too big and
it looks good
and it might be good for the
first 30 or 40
seconds you know that’s it
you could really gorilla fuck a guy for 30 or 40
seconds but then that lactic acid builds up
and boom crashing
yeah i always said i i
i never cared
about it and
never care if somebody said oh he’s on
right to say you know
to me it is
that you’re insecure already
you know there’s something
wrong with you because you’re not
happy with yourself let’s go to that
and that bullshit
thing that they
say you know it yeah but everybody does it
i mean it’s insane i did this
for the amateurs they
you know dated
the camel i’m the
board of the camel
right and they
asked me to go and camel
for people no no
the california
amateur mixed martial arts organization yep
and they asked me
to speak to the guys
you know to
help them out in the future once they do a pro what to
watch out for
and then the last the most important
thing what is the most important
thing they said i said well don’t do rights
i mean if you if you already did words or are thinking
about doing words i mean you
might as well stop your career because in this
particular stage
right now if you’re already thinking
about it you’re
gonna fail you’re
gonna be a loser
because you
you want rights
i never got that
and how danger is it you know what i hear the epo
you know people doing that i go mad it
doesn’t that make your
blood really thick hmm
it’s very dangerous and very common by the way yeah um
guy boxers been caught with it
sugar shame mosley got caught with it
you know epo
is what they always accuse
cyclists of
using and i had
a friend who was a professional
cyclist and he was on it
and he said
that when he was on a tour they were on a tour
they would ride on a bus
and then they
would compete in
these tournaments
and these are races rather and
you would hear guys in the middle of the
night unrack
their bikes and go ride they had to
if the heart rate
goes down or something well it’s
too much blood
too much blood
builds up in your body because what what epo
simulates is it’s like artificial altitude
you know like the same
effect that happens at altitude where your
blood thickens because you
need more oxygen because it’s a low oxygen environment
so these guys and they take this epo
they have to exercise
like they’ll wake up at like
three o’clock in the morning and they’re like
their parts all fucked up and they
gotta get on the bike and go yeah i was
gonna have a
heart attack or something
yeah you could have strokes
it’s very dangerous i know
mixed martial arts guys that have
and i know guys that have done it that you know
their trainer
found out like
after the fight and
they were like what the fuck man you
gotta let us know that you’re doing this
so that if you get
knocked out
we can tell the doctor hey here’s something you
should consider you
guys on fucking epo
you know use a pen as a
syringe you know
you need to evolve like this because it’s so thick yes
it’s coming out like lava
doesn’t get up
i was talking to a joe mccarthy
and i said you know what the new oh no no he asked me
since you know what the newest
drug is like
for fighting i said tell
i said viagra
and he goes how do you know that
i say i read an article
about it like a week before that
and apparently
guys are doing that taking viagra and
apparently viagra is one of this wonder
things it’s really good for your kidneys for
blood pressure for i mean
i read an article in
yeah that’s why i tell you some
fitness magazine and it was like raving
about it’s a real good
medicine apparently but can you imagine
well what it does is it increases your nitric
oxide and all
those chemicals
those supplements
that people take you know nitric burn all
these different nitric
flood all these different things
this is the
exact same thing increases your nitric
oxide that’s why your dick it’s hard so
quick your muscles
fucking flare
veins get back big yeah
mmm definitely yeah
until it goes to the ground then it’ll be uncomfortable
that’s what i’m saying you know what do you do
as long as you keep your cup in
place a little tickle tickle
depends on if you have a dick that
could fit into one of
those japanese
masturbations
people might not even ever know right yeah
yeah that was funny
you’re one of the guys
that you’re one of the few guys that has gone through a
mixed martial arts career and has
successfully brought
transition to a broadcasting career
i mean you you made
you’re very
smart in how you handled it because
first of all
you didn’t take too many
fights you didn’t
go with your ego and have
fights after
you were busy with other
things or weren’t
fully concentrated on it
you stepped away in full health
how did you manage to do that
not full health
not full health my knees were very bothering me and
one of the worst
things i have is
tendonitis in both my arms
and if that hits if that starts
then it’s i don’t
know did you yeah
did you ever
you have ever had yes
yeah okay now i have both here in the arms upstairs
and if it hits it’s about a
45 minute hour
a pain which is unimaginable it’s
like yeah you have no clue
it’s like coming from the outside it’s like he it’s
you can’t describe it there’s no pain like it and
there’s nothing you can do you can take pain pills for
nothing wow and if the writer i
would lose weight
you know so
when i made that comeback in two thousand six
six weeks before
it hit it you know i had
nine weeks to prepare
i think two times
three times five days i took off
that i literally only worked my legs and
because i had the
tendonitis and then
because you lose weight from the pain
and then i start realizing
okay this is the reason that i stopped because
it’s not fun anymore you know you’re on the ground
everything hurts i was rolling
in eddie’s class
and with goliath
you remember the big guy there
and i was gonna
fight leo polo
and kim o the
apollo and he
very much looks like him like built
i might get
a roll with you because i need to just get up and just
strike get up and strike
and i had to
tendonitis and i man
everything was hurting and i
could see everybody look like oh is this bastard
so i go okay man please give me a number you know
so i got his number of five days
later i said
and i took five days
offset come back
again and he was like whoa what’s
going on now because it’s a
whole different ball game
but so that means that every
every time when you
train with that it man it
it’s so much pain
that yeah you lose weight you can’t
eat you know yeah tears in your eyes from the pain as
well and so what exactly is
tendonitis what is it what is it from
i have no clue
and you know what i realized that beginning in
early days when i did
track and field
i already had it there i
think that it comes from
all the cortisones that i took i was a very sick kid
badass my bad eczema
everywhere and
they gave me a lot of cortisones you know they always
were afraid something was
gonna happen in the end
and that and that has an
effect i hear on your
skeleton you know it melts they say
but i guess if it’s
could have got
you attendance
right wow that’s
crazy so you were you were a sick kid and you
transitioned
somehow into a martial arts
champion wow
right did you
start training really
hard because of your sickness because your asthma
is that one
yeah i i got
bullied a lot i i was a very lonely kid i
i was i was into trees
i had a really cool
skill i could
climb in a tree in the forest and i
could like 45
of the forest i go from treetop to treetop i
would start
swinging yeah
what go to the next
one yeah so if they
would follow me if they
would come out
to me fucking tarzan yeah
holy shit and i
climbed in a tree so they would go
after you and you
would jump from tree to tree like a monkey
get away from them
that’s what i did
and a few of them fell
you know one was almost
they almost didn’t make
it you know i mean his hat fell like next to a rock
that scared everybody so much that that was my
harbor that was my safe harbor
you know every time
something happens i just
climbed a tree
it was it but i
think that that’s
where i got my athleticism from
just climbing
climbing all the time yeah
that’s fucking
crazy it’s amazing how many
mixed martial artists were bullied
you know i mean people look at a guy like you and they
would go there’s
no fucking way this guy was ever bullied
it’s amazing how much of that happens and what the
fuck i mean how do you stop that shit from happening in
school i know
you’re involved in a lot of anti
bullying programs and i’ve
seen you do you know public service announcements and
stuff like that
how the how do you stop that in school
you get you
you know and it’s it
it’s hard you have to make sure that the
that the whole
school knows like i
would do how do you say that and um
i would tell there
if i if i would
speak in front of
those people that the bullies
that there we
gotta have sympathy for those guys
i mean there’s obviously something’s
wrong with them
they only can team up
you know to get somebody and they pick the weakest guy
i mean seriously if you guys
think this is cool
that’s the biggest
loser of the
whole school and i
think that weird
human nature
thing it really is
it’s like we probably get beat at home
you know and if you
start talking like that
hopefully it rings a bell with a
bully because
otherwise she can’t stop this
you know are you here
every now and then
about guys who are
fighters who are bullies
you know who you hear
about bullying in the gym
guys who are really good fucking
other guys up like
young guys that a lot
about hector lombard you know
i don’t know if it’s true but you hear a lot of stories
about him beating the shit out of
young guys and hurting people
yeah you know and you know that that has to
be something from their
childhood it just has to something happened there
yeah yeah scary
stuff you would
think that a guy who’s a
trained fighter though you
would think well that’s
like that would be my solution like how do you get
bullying out of the
schools i really
think you should
teach kids how to fight
i don’t think they
should have to
fight but i
think you know offer it
in physical education offer it because
for a man it’s one of the most important
things you could ever
learn for developing your character
for being just
being more confident and getting out
aggression so you can
think things more clearly
i we at ktla
this morning in the gym
and it was i was
frank your gym
by the way for people don’t know you have a
great gym and thousand oaks and
how do people get there what is
where’s the what’s the name of it it’s a
boss rutan’s elite mma
it’s from 8080
hampshire wrote
in thousands of
this is a rare
opportunity
if you live in this area to train with
you know a true
legend in a
pioneer and i’m
every day there
i’m trey i’m
teaching every day so it’s not like my
name is on the gym and i’m not there i don’t like this
you know and so ktla was at your gym ktla was a jim
frank shamrock
was at the gym my friend
holt mckellan
you the guy from
lights out to the new tv show on fx
great show and
boxing shows yeah yeah he’s next
heavyweight
champion you know and now he’s
got to cope with
all the problems you know the
money is gone and
it’s got a little bit sopranos meats
rocky meat you know like serious like that
and and yeah all of us were
bullied also
frank also was a little fat kid he said
and then he also because he went to
boarding school
in in scotland his father sent him over
there he was the only american there so that went wrong
and with me also it’s
yeah because of the
eczema and all of my
asthma you know
the alma and eczema
yeah they went
ahead and had together
how’d they fix that i grew over it you know what the
weirdest thing is
when i stepped into the
states when i was
fighting in pancras if you see some
fights you’ll see i
still have everywhere have spots
you know and when i came into america
i think within a month
everything i mean i see
almost disappearing
like was gone
i think also the climate
maybe has something to do with
california climate
yeah i love it
this is actually it’s not too hard not to dry you know
it’s perfect
it’s a pretty good
place to live
yeah we just said it right
yeah it’s pretty awesome
when you hear
about people in minnesota
freezing their dicks off
like i said i came into the
stage i said why
doesn’t everybody in america live here
why would you live here seems like they do though
there’s no houses
there’s a lot of people living here man
there’s a lot of people
so um so you didn’t exactly
transition out without
any pain that said that was one of the reasons why you
you cut your your
fighting career short
attended honest yep
yep that at
my knees i have no cartilage on my kneecaps really
which sounds
as a very easy
thing to fix but
in reality it’s the
worst problem
any can have
i mean cartilage
in between the knees when a
bunch they can do something
about that you know but cartage on the kneecap
they can my friend has
his knees resurfaced he had them resurfaced with steel
they put some sort of a
steel or titanium
plate over the knee
my friend steve was on the us ski team back
in the 80s and he fucked his knees up really really bad
like he’s had i believe 16 or 17
surgeries on his knees
and they’re mangled
and they just recently put artificial
meniscus in place
this white padded
stuff in between the knees
his cartilage is so chewed up
that they actually resurfaced
it with metal
so he has like it like it’s a
crazy looking
thing man it’s like metal
like on top of kneecap i have it here somewhere in my
email i’ll find it for you before we
leave tonight so you can
check it out
but so there
is a solution that my friends do you know it’s
it’s hard they can for instance
they can put the kneecap is in constant
motion you know
so it’s not like you can put something on there
and then because it gets
ripped off right away
again but it can do is like
drill a hole in there and then
i put a teflon
plate in it
but then if you
drill the hole the knee becomes
thirty five percent more weak so you have
way more chance to
break the knee and once you
break your kneecap
you know that’s why
it was my doctor said that’s why they the buffy osis
they break your kneecaps
because that’s like the
worst thing to do to somebody
yeah the knees are brutal man
i’ve had three knee operations i had
my left acl reconstructed my meniscus
scope to my left knee
here i got a
picture of it here if you
wanna check it out
check this out real quick
you see that
this is a resurfacing this is
where they took
his cartilage was so fucked up
took it off and they resurfaced it with
steel and this
white stuff in this picture
this is the artificial
meniscus i’ll put this
picture on twitter
later on so what else
pretty fucking
man the stuff that they can do nowadays is bizarre
yeah it’s pretty fucking
crazy yeah i don’t know
i mean this is really new
stuff that they’re doing
but i mean his knee looks like
it looks like but how does he feel
it feels great
he’s fucked me
crazy touches
the wildest
motherfucker i’ve ever met he was
a flight surgeon he’s in his 50s and he’s
still trying to
fight it’s crazy
it’s out of his mind you it’s a very hard
thing to step
away from you know to come back to it it’s very
when i have students of mine or friends of my
fighting it’s
i’m way more nervous than they are it’s like because
you can’t control it’s like sitting next to the driver
you know and they go fast you go like i rather have the
wheels so i
can control here
you know and that’s
now it’s hard
there’s no feeling like it
like when you win or when you
for six or eight weeks you work on
like five special
dominations
you know on the ground and
standing and then to see if you can land one of
those and then 90
of the time you do
you know it’s something
that you really worked on and then you land that
thing and then
it’s like a hole in one i
guess that’s
what i always say has to be feeling like that
yeah well i
think much crazier than that i
think that it’s just the
ultimate gamble you know you’re out there
throwing your bones at some guy
you know trying to
trying to hit his
vital areas
and it ain’t just a regular guy it’s a fucking
expert and he’s doing the
exact same thing and
so much of your success is
based on how much
dedication you have how much time you put in
how much you can keep your shit together
under pressure
is the ultimate high
right when you win is the
ultimate high
it really is and what you say
the thing is
can you i always say
can you bring
the dojo the way you fight and
train there
and spar there can you
bring that game
to the ring
cause that can
be a problem with that that’s the thing
that is a big thing
under pressure you know guys
we have fires
right oh yeah
yeah and a lot
of guys fold like you’ll see them they’ll do
great and they’ll be like dominating
and then the guy will
still be there
yeah and then you see the adversity you see
doubt you see all kinds of creepy
things about
you know whatever the fuck
haunts their subconscious whatever the fuck is in
their personality that they don’t like
you see its surface
most of the time is that
you see a guy when he
hit him with a hard shot
you know and
it’s most of the time the muscular guys by the way
check it out
and the big
blown up dudes
when they hit somebody with
their best bang
and the guy recovers and comes back then you see him go
and down or they have him in the
submission and they
think they had him and
and then the guy escapes
you know that’s like a mental
break for them then they give up it’s like the
weirdest thing you go like whoa
man it’s so good i know so many fighters
who are like that
and i just do it
again do it
again and make it
a little bit more tight why won’t you do that you know
but don’t they give up the fear of losing is a
tremendous burden that a lot of
guys have and it eventually manifests itself in a fight
it’s like they’re so
afraid of losing they’re so afraid of fucking up that
just it just
they make it happen but it’s afraid of losing in
front of an audience
because they have to listen to
those people
gonna tell them what you
should have done this and
chris lieben said it really
funny a long time ago he says you got
knocked out by silver
and and then he said
it’s bad if you go to the
blockbuster
and the guy behind the desk tells you what you
should have done
you know because everybody knows better
and that’s horrible
and that’s why i always say i say you
fight for yourself and
you say oh buster you
fight for your family your wife and your kids no i
fight for me
because that takes a lot of pressure off because really
think about this and and
if if you have a fellow fighter
and you go both into a room you lock the door you guys
fight do you really care if you lose
i don’t think i really care
i love to win
but you know i don’t i don’t know
you know he’s the best man that day he won the fight
now if it’s in
front of an audience you
gotta go through all that bs that
these other people say who have no clue
what it’s all about
but you see what i mean it’s all you’re
fighting for
those people and
it’s so much pressure that’s why i stay away from the
i’m gonna rip his head off i’m
gonna do this i’m
gonna do that because all that
they will play at the moment you walk through the cage
and you hear yourself saying
what you gonna do head
right oh yeah
that’s why i
never did that because you put a lot of pressure on you
now i better do what i said
guys i don’t
think guys realize it but you see it in
their face sometimes when they step into
the octagon you see all the shit talking they’ve said
and they’re like
here we go like wow what have i fucking done
there’s a few shit talkers
who are actually really good
you know chelsea
was pretty good
that was yeah but
he’s the master josh barnett’s pretty good at it too
george benetta’s really good at it too yeah
yeah there’s a few guys if you guys have noticed slang
smart guy so
frank shamrock
was good at his
smart comments make and
tito made a
whole career out of it also you know
you know and everybody’s
i said that
those are not
the guys that you see you know they’re playing a
smart game nick diaz
yeah yeah he loves it he loves it
and he’s a he’s a really nice guy you know i like him
well he gets
fired up though when he
fights when he
fights he’s not such a nice guy
yeah yeah so that’s the way
psychological
warfare is a part of
fighting right that’s it
who can i always say who’s got the biggest balls
who can you know keep go keep on
going that’s why i always say
stamina is the one number one thing
you know that’s one
thing they can
never say for me my all
my career and
never run out of gas
because that’s the only
thing you can
control you know when you train
go run an extra hill
through something i’ve nothing for commer than losing
how difficult was that for you though when you
started to get the
tendonitis because you know there’s like there’s
stamina from
you know from grappling
that you probably
couldn’t get like i know for a fact that toshikosaka
fight yep when you fought kosaka
when you won the
title right that’s you won the
title no that was your
first fight you know the
title from manaman
when you fought kosaka you
had a problem like you couldn’t do any grappling for a
while right
didn’t you have a neck problem a neck problem i got
against daryl golar
the wrestler
very good i
got him in a triangle
at the gym and he lifted me up
and he slammed me down with my neck into the corner
that took a long time
god knows the whole
thing i just had surgery comes from that
all the way
back and that was the injury what it what was
it was i have no clue but it was so painful i had a
daughter at the time she was like
nine months old
and she could not lay on my chest
whoa i was coughing you know
and everything would
i would it was
funny because i had this big
syringe of lidocaine
and i’m injecting myself in between my rips
oh my god the
ufc comes in with the cameras
right and i was at the time with the
movie with universal soldier
and these guys are
freaking out you know i said no no no come in come
in i said this is you know the doctor no sense
vital king is dangerous shit yeah but
you have to watch out where to do it but
if they do it it always goes
wrong because they can’t feel
where it is
but i have to between every rip
so you have to do it yourself yeah
it was painful
lidocane is like the gay cousin of cocaine
people don’t know it just numbs
things up when i got my nose
fixed i got a deviated septum fix and they
squirt lidocaine out there when they’re cleaning it out
so that it doesn’t freak you out
is they go up in your nose with a vacuum
cleaner yeah
it’s like you know when you vacuum your car
at the car wash and
it gets stuck on the
floor mat and goes
that happens to the back of your fucking skull
right where your
brain is when they’re
cleaning out
blood clots
and dried up boogers and shit and they
spray lidocaine
up there and i felt
fucked up for the whole day
like i was like what is
wrong with me i’m
like out of it and then i realized oh that lidocaine
so then i go online and i’m like what is the
effects of lidocaine
people fucking die from it
the girls that
put it on their legs
when they go to get
their legs lasered
they get the hair
lasered off
their legs it’s painful
so they cover
their legs with lidocaine
some girl died in her fucking car
she covered her legs in lidocaine and then
wrapped her legs up and she
just ran around
and she just
od’ed on oh
yeah yeah yeah
and you’re shooting it into your ribs and my ribs
i used them
many times that i
would go to the fight
and then one day
i had my resting
shoes because we had to wear
shoes at pancreas
they would be open like i had an
ankle injury
and i would wait
until they called my name
because one time i
broke my hand
the knuckle
and they said oh we put the
lighter can in there and it’s
gonna wait for work for like an hour but it’s not
it’s like fifteen minutes you know
especially with your
heart rate is up it goes really fast so
at the moment i stepped into the ring i go like
oh no it’s back you know
they’re not
gonna do this again
you know so i did it on them
at the moment they
would call my name
i would put it in and then hopefully i was not
gonna feel it fuck yeah
so you were
fighting on lidocaine to
shoot it in you and then
fight right here because you
could walk you know
i made a really bad trip
when i was running the day before i jumped on the plane
and it was against
vernon tiger
white it was like my fourth
fight or something somewhere there
and and it’s like it’s unbelievable
he takes me down and he goes for a toe hold and that
angle like i mean it’s like i’m sending out a signal
you know take this
thing this is a
weird signal because whenever i get a tattoo
somebody fucking slaps me
arm with a tattoo it’s always
if you have an injury
here where you
never get hit if you
spar you’re
gonna get hit there
it is what it is if you hurt
your hand for sure someone’s
gonna squeeze it when they
shake it yeah
sure what it is
a lot of times you go a
whole year without a guy giving you one of
those douchey handshakes
you know those douchey handshakes where
he grabs a tip of your face what
the fuck is that
about insecure and
you’ll go a year for that but if you hurt your hand
it’s right away that’s the
first thing that’s
gonna happen the guys wait is that it
fucking strange it’s the
same you got two lines you always pick the line that’s
the longest way yeah
this one is way longer you take
the shortest and
this guy goes for a
break and the fucking replacement
comes in they got to redo the register yeah the
check the old
grandmother you know
what is the
title how much
again oh oh
sorry i got
take another one when i see people paying with
checks i’m like why don’t you just fucking whip out
beaver pelts i cannot
i saw one the
other day at the grocery store
like really
you’re still
using this yeah that’s
where last time i saw it too was at the grocery
store when it
checks people
allow you to just
write on a piece of
paper yeah the big lebowski
it’s like 70 nights
on that milk yeah
the opening movie
the opening shot
so if you didn’t have all
these injuries do you
think you would have kept
going or do you
think i think i
would have kept going a
few more years yeah because
it was not a problem
not having stamina and
you know i always been very blessed
with my body
you know like people look at me now the
whole time and they say oh my god how much you
train well i didn’t train for
a year you know
it’s like i i just
genetically
put together because
of my dad my brother has the same he’s a lawyer but
it’s the same he’s got no fat just good
just good base good genes yeah they’re all athletes
the root inside you know so yeah
never had a problem with that
what was the question
the question was whether or not you would keep
going oh yeah no i would
yeah because
you know like i said there’s nothing like it
but at the moment
the fun is gone out of
training training
would be so much fun for me
because you know somebody
everything you know when you roll
every time something pops up oh god that’s cool
yeah man and it’s a new thing
and then you start
using a lot of people and it
works and it works and it works and it works oh my god
this is great you know and
every time a new little
thing or somebody shows you
another little thing like
a guilty joke do it like this because they can escape
no sergio painted
show to me i go wow
it’s like bizarre
things that i get that
whole expression yeah
and you know
and it’s so cool but on the way you have to pain the
whole time it takes the pleasure out of it and
once you have no more fun
what’s the use of
still keeping
so you can’t roll it all
right now no no and
especially just
after my surgery i get what
this surgery is the same surgery from the daryl golar
incident that you just had i don’t know i
think it added on
maybe you know
that was the
first time it got hurt though
yeah what was the actual surgery
would they have done
between c four and five and five and six my
nerves were flat squashed
so i lost at two
feet my whole arm
and shoulder
so now they honk
the holes open around it they make so that the
nerves are they can breathe
again so a lot of guys get that
the jose aldo just got that he has a
nerve issue as well
no arms going
numb and carwin
carwin had it as well he just had surgery on it carwin
did oh my god that for jose aldo
base one of my favorite guys
good that’s not good man this is a bad injury
because this is
gonna take a long time i mean
this is over two
months ago and i
i noticed things like i could
push brush my
teeth harder
push a little bit harder when i
watch under my armpit
or i can shave my
whole head now with a
razor blade
which i couldn’t do before
things like that but
power wise i do 15
pounds that’s it wow
yeah it’s really
it’s really
weak so when you roll around it’s not fun you know
of course they attack that arm there we go
again murph’s law yeah
everybody goes on that i had
giga musashi was
over and his brother and his brother said that nobody
could they could
break his grip at an armbar i have a really
weird way of putting
an armbar on but the way i do it nobody can escape
you know and
i do that i control the hand i make sure that the
elbow points up
you know and i control the such
way that your arm you can get out i can
just cover your face the
other leg i just can put away
and you still can get out really
yeah and he said to me
oh but you can do it on me so i’m trying trying i can’t
break because
apparently he’s
known for it’s very strong
and he says she see a guy say
flip around
he says why i said this is my
wrong arm so i
could you decide to go
i got him in the arm by right away
i said listen i can do fifteen
pounds with this you know it’s a very weak arm
right now so is it eventually
gonna come back to hundred percent you know if
they say it’s like a
millimeter a day
and it’s two
months ago so that will be six
centimeters
go starting from my neck
that’s gotta go all the way to here
six centimeters of what of healing of healing the
nerve heals like a
millimeter a day they say
okay yeah so nine
months to a year i
should expect
at least he said he says
it comes back because i was very late with it
they misdiagnosed me
so i walked around with this
thing for a long time
so what is the
thing though what was the actual injury so
the compression of the compression
and the pain all the hard pain that i had
that was the
nerve apparently is a
whole bunch of
little cables he says and outside there’s the pain
thing you know once you
squish that you know you’re already really far gone
and that happened with me i had no pain anymore
and he says man that’s the
worst thing because
that means that’s
already died so you’re
damaging and you don’t even feel it that’s it
wow so then they go in there and they
drill it out and then you have to wait forever
for it to heal up yeah
wow and there’s nothing you can do in between time
you just have to
let it go nothing i
started actually
yesterday and i think
two days ago i
started running on a treadmill
but only with the incline
so i can roll in
the balls of my feet so i don’t have my knee shocking
and i’m actually feeling okay
today my knees so i figure okay if i can do that
then i can at
least start doing my
sprints again
i used to be a
freak man i
could ease these
what i do is
i run 10 miles
10 minutes 11
miles an hour that’s the warm up
and then i jump off i
start stretching
while i put the incline all the way up go to 9
miles an hour
and then i jump on for 45 seconds
and off for 30
and i do those 10
ten of those rounds and
after that i run like five minutes to run it out
done take a five
minute break and i do my
power training workout this is what when i was
the top of my game
because that’s really hard
so you would do your
sprints first and then you
would do your
power training
later yeah that everybody thought it was
weird but for me
if you do the
power training
first it hinders you with your running
sometimes i
would do it to mimic
the fight because that’s what i think
is the biggest problem with a lot of guys
they don’t realize that you
you know you’re pumping of it
you should do apps a lot of apps before you fight
and stretch them out
because what happens is your abs they
start filling up with like that behind your abs or your
lungs and that’s why you see the roid guys
because they have that boop
right away they go strong
boom and then they drop
and i think it really is because of the apps
because if they
do ten times this it stays like this
right it bumps up
well imagine that happens to your core
and with everything
while you’re
fighting you
using your core take down defense everything
so that stops blowing up stops your
lungs from breathing
that’s why you
get tired so you
think cabs are important for stamina that’s
what you’re saying very important to keep him loose
to keep him
loose and to stretch him out this is very important
i would take before a
fight also aspirin
you know to make my
blood thin because
in thai boxing i
would never
wear wraps i don’t like to have wraps around me so i
go bare knuckle in the gloves
and with the
shoes i hated
those things you know this was totally japanese rules
right the penguin
shoes yeah because what happens is
those japanese guys they’re really good on the ground
and so they say okay and the
striking not so
okay so let’s put them on
shin guards let put them on knee
protection and push
shoes because they’re good with leg locks
and no gloves because then they’re good for the rear
naked chokes and all
i mean they’re totally
adapted when i left bankrose i think two
three months
later it was they
changed the rules it was closed fist
and i go whoa
i’ve been waiting
for a long time for this yeah they had to try to
adapt to be
mixed martial arts yep
eventually so is it pancreas
where you hurt your knees
you know i don’t know i have no clue i
think i’m so i’m very explosive
and i think over the years that just
scraped off and my things are bold they say they’re
bleeding bone marrow out of on me
so it’s like yeah it’s like very painful man it’s a
it’s not fun do you do any
other martial arts exercise i know you have that
thing that you sell
well that’s part of it because you don’t
want to hit things
right exactly like that yeah because it has no impact
you don’t get
the tendonitis
right every fighter
should use that thing like 12 days before the
fight not that
heavy back anymore
just when accidents happen you know you get tired
sweat on the back but your
gloves and slips or the
wrist hurts
there’s always
things happen with a
heavy back and they like to hit a heavy bag
which i did also because it’s it’s a cool thing but
there’s always
that moment when you hit really hard like a
liver shot and you feel think
right then i know okay tomorrow i got the ten and i
did you develop this
thing this what it’s called the boss
system what is it what does it stand for
the body action stand
so what happened was this
there’s a long time ago a long time ago like
four years or something ago
my agent tells me
that this woman
wants to see me they have a product and it
started out with a stand
with two of
those kicking
things she knows like
one though yeah two
so i came to her
and i was hangover
hungover it was
the last period that i was
still drinking
and i walk in i said okay i’m telling you
right now because you can breathe it
you can smell it
i’m a little hangover
let me take a look at this
thing and i’ll call you back tomorrow
what i think
so i looked at the
thing and the next day
i called back i said okay now this what we
should do and had this whole list
ready and she goes like whoa whoa whoa
we thought you didn’t notice anything yesterday
i said no and then i came up to do a head to do a body
patch you know and make
targets on there and
you know but then it
starts because people
think this is an easy product
there’s knockoffs from
these things
right they’re already selling knockoffs
if you buy that
thing then you really that was like our early
stages what you’re
gonna have they’re
gonna flop around they’re
gonna break because
you need to find a spring
that is just
right to not
be too floppy
and not too
stiff if it’s too
stiff the whole
stand will move
if it’s too floppy you can’t
knock it for the
second punch because it’s
still moving
you know it needs to be just right
now the foam in there needs to be just
right now foam
the density
the density
if it’s really tight foam it’s heavier
you know so
if you say okay
is this a little bit too hard i want different
foam to put different foam but now because it’s lighter
then the spring needs to be
changed again so
every time i got like
eight prototypes and i have to
train on those
things the whole time to see
and find out
which is what
and what’s the
best weight and the best form with what spring
it took two and a half years
two and a half years to find that
they hit that
thing i mean
thirty thousand time with the machine dong
dong dong that
thing when you buy it won’t
break two guys
there was two heads broke
but that was from a shipment that we
right away took
out because it was something with the glue that
it didn’t connect with
it was vaporizing or eating the glue
so it didn’t
work it was too only we sent a new head back and we
never we saw a lot of
those things we have no problems no problem do you use
those yourself do you use them
every time when i
train yeah now
right now i can’t i use a lot
i can do hooks like see that’s a
weird weird
angle for me and uppercuts
if i make ten
uppercuts the last
uppercut goes slow up because it’s yes
biceps now you really realize
that you need your biceps in
order to put your body weight into a punch
you can’t lock it up now
a straight punch i’m okay with but hooks
i can hit with a
glove i can hit you as hard as i want to your
belly you’re not
gonna go down
wow yeah it’s really
but it’s pathetic when i look at it like why did you
like having no wraps on
i always have
that i want to have
my blood flow
keep going for
some reason i have the feeling that this happens
that it doesn’t circulate any more
naturally it’s
a bad feeling when you get a tight wrap when it’s tight
yeah i don’t like it at all
and you don’t need it if you hit the
right way all
these guys are so
like tyson i always give the example just
learn how to
hit the correct way and nothing will happen these guys
they come in
the room and they got the special guys that
they got a stitch there on call
every day two times a day
rep the hands perfect he can hit it in any
angle it doesn’t matter
so then when
this guy that’s why when he had a
street fight he
would always
break his hand
right tyson
because he doesn’t know how to
hit he hits him with a
pinky or whatever
wrong technique
but isn’t it
hard when you’re
fighting because
guys move and sometimes you wanted to hit them with
these two knuckles but you accidentally
catch them with the last
knuckle you know of course
it’s always
you have to
yeah you know
especially in karate
with the cue cucine karate
is sparring in its bare knuckle
and some of
these guys they have a gi
and some guys have
their hips here right
so that’s how i
broke this one also you hit a hip you
think you’ve got the liver
but it’s not
it’s a it’s a head bone yeah that that hurt that will
that was a good
thing it makes martial arts because now you can see
what you hit
everything that you
started out you
started out in taekwondo
is that what you
like window
that was my
first sport yeah
i did that for about
i don’t know four
weeks or six weeks and i was already beating up the
brown bells
you have to
understand my parents are very conservative
they would never
allow me to do
martial arts
but i always got bullets
and i saw a
bruce lee movie in 76
i entered the dragon
in france when
we were on the holiday and i came out and
said that’s it i want to be
bruce lee you know
so i made these nunchucks
and i was only
like kung fu
shoes i had all nolans i was really so
i asked my parents please please please please but they
wouldn’t allow me so i kept
going kept go
training myself so
watching moves and just kept training
and then finally
after two years they said okay
you know stop asking questions
go we had a neighbor
the girl next
door she had a boyfriend was the cool guy from the town
and he said okay come with me are you two in kind of
under a swing
and it went really good i
started being up like i said the brown belts out
within six weeks
says man you got a good feeling so my
confidence rose and
at that moment i was
riding my bike on the street
and the biggest
bully comes with six of his bodies or something
and they said something
and i shouted something back
and they all laugh were
laughing and they right away came
after me and
when i saw them coming for me i stopped my bike
and i put it down
and i was just waiting for the guy
and then the biggest
bully comes to me and he’s put you know that the
early days you push with your chest
right and he pushed
against my chest and i go
puff and he goes down
broke his nose out
anybody more
nobody did anything
i come home police was already home waiting
and that was it
no more taekwondo for me so when i
moved out of
house when i
was twenty one
you know that’s when i
started fighting
that’s when you
start kickboxing and
everything else
kickboxing yeah muay
thai and how did you
transition into pancreas
where’d that come about
you know this is oh
it’s cool we got time
right yeah okay cool now
let me go back let me see
i was fighting
thai boxing in holland
i want a lot of
fights but not
like my first fourteen
fights of one by
knock after
thirteen in the
first round
round one i was sick
what was your your
final kick boxing record when you sixteen
sixteen and two
no fourteen wins two losses
so
i fought this guy
who was in jail for a long time frank lupman
very powerful fighter
had a record like 52 with like
three losses and like 48 knockouts a monster
now apparently i was a bouncer at the time
apparently on new year’s day when i was
bouncing i was also drunk
well that’s an example
and somebody asked me if i wanted to fight him
and i said sure so in
i think like the end of january i get a phone call they
asked me where to send the posters to
and i said what posters
from the fights so who’s gonna fight
you against lotman
and i go who said that
he said you you told me that you gonna fight for
so now they had posters already i go like okay
you know like
might as well
yeah i gotta do it now because
otherwise you’re gonna think i’m scared right
so i had about
five weeks to train now you gotta understand that
i got tired
from jumping rope the first time i was so out of
shape it was not even funny
so anyway i go to the
fights and i just had my knee my shin
at this here there was a huge hole
i i did some
crazy stuff on a wall there was a wall i jumped on i
i was always really good in jumping up like a randleman
did you know i could jump this high like my chest here
i would stand in front of it and jump on a wall
but it had been raining and i jumped on and my toes
slid up and i landed on my shin on it
so the rip my shin open
so the day of the fight was all wild
flash and we had the tape you know and
it was like super glue and everything and my
friend says okay lidocaine
there it is again right
he says you know i said just
put it around he says no we’ll numb up the whole leg
don’t worry
about it he says and he said he put it in my butt
so he says no
the leg would be numb
and you’ll see that fight
you’ll see that fight
i’m like jumping
i never jump when i fight
and the whole time
i’m shaking
my leg and i can’t feel my leg it’s like the
weirdest thing you know
oh no so then
they said there was a
knock i was knock i
would you look at the
fight you’ll see
i don’t think he even hits me
but i am landing on my
butt and i want to get up and i can’t get up my my leg
doesn’t work
and i go whoa
you know i said man my leg
doesn’t work you know so and the referee
says stop the fight
then all the people
start saying see i always said
that he cannot fight
so that really bug me
of course anyway
i said okay i’ll
fight another
fight shouldn’t have done that either because on the
three days or four days before the
fight i helped the body of my out
they really
beat the crap out of me at this
jaw all the way wired
you know and his
mouth was closed so
we went to the guys who did it and we got in a little
scuffle there of course and they
threw me in jail for a couple of days into jail
one is why you can’t get in canada right
that’s a long time ago
in the jail i had for some reason i got an infection
in one of my testicles
whoa and it became like really big
and it was hurting a lot and they let me out
you know because
it was only a few days it was they did the
whole test they
found out that you
know what the guys did they say you know what we don’t
we’re not gonna
bring it to court you
know they kind of felt
that we were
right you know
doing what we did
anyway i still fought and i shouldn’t have
taken a fight i
knocked the guy down
three times in the first
round and then
and then actually i win
i make a spinning of
a breakfast oh yeah that was it
he’s standing in
front of me and i’m so
tired to know my body so i’m so
tired and i
go boom i make give him a breakfast in his neck
and he goes down
and i so i think i want to fight and
apparently like a
month before there was a rule that if you did a bat
fist you only
could do it with the turn some bullshit
yeah it was bullshit anyway
i couldn’t come out for the
second round because i was too
tired and they said okay
now it really
started holland
you see i always said
he was not so good a blah blah
but i said okay i
never fight for holland
anymore this is over you know
if these fans
are like this i don’t want to fight in
front of people like this
but i was always
yeah it is because you know it’s your life it’s
and but it was always that
i wanted to do something with martial arts while
buddy of mine
we both together we made the show it’s like an
a martial arts show
on music and we start doing this in like nightclubs
and we would like but really cool
really cool stuff i would kick him in the belly like
bruce lee and that
dragon right he would grab my foot
throw me back and i would make his flying kick
in his face and land and
you know we did all that cool
stuff we would come on with like
a cartwheel flick flick and
that’s the way we would opt to walk to the place
and we had bows and we did nunchucks and we did like
brake tests the
crazy stuff and little cups on his mouth i
would kick back spinning back here and jump up and
jumping flying back the cup off his head
good quality martial arts but we start
putting comedy in there also
like funny things that
for instance i would i would
stand there very serious with an
suit and i go go get the cups
and the guy would come back and he had done
these little cups and i
kept looking straight to go no
the other ones
what the other ones and you go okay
so that he would walk and he
would come back with cops like this he like butts
stuff like that we start doing stuff like that and
he moved to heaven this is also a funny one
i would do a break test the same
thing you know he would come with the break test and go
take the other ones
so then he came back and he had like
these these wooden
things that were this thick you know little
things and he would
spread them out like a deck card
and i would like pick one right
and he would hold it
and then i would stand in front of it and i go
and he would buy because of fear
he will break it already know
stuff like that we would do
and that caught on real fast people really started
seem to like that
so suddenly we were doing this on bigger shows
first at nightclubs then we
start doing it on shows like
events big events
rob came and
when he was fighting i
think that when he had the main event one time
we were in the break
you know showing this to the people so they got aired
and then we were on dutch tv and then
euro sports saw it and they had an event
yearly in in france
and we went to there and we started
traveling now and doing the shows all over the place
and comedy was always the
thing once we
start doing
the comedy people will know me there’s a few of
those things on youtube actually
so on one of
these shows because we came up with all
these flipflex and somersault and all that stuff
chris dolman was sitting there
and chris dolman is one of the forefathers in holland
he was a judo
champion tough guy
you know and
he called me to
him and he says man you got some really good abilities
man did you ever
think about free
fighting you know what it is he says no
he said well we do that in japan
are you interested i say
sure because they go okay that’s not holland
that’s japan right
so he says come and
try it out so i walk in there and at that moment i was
european champion thai boxing
so it was because the
those two fights
weren’t for a title
so i thought i was the cool dude
and and that was
literally like always
grace in the beginning you know i walk in
and they killed me
and they will put on
these jokes not
blood jokes but like
on my went pipe you
know and pulling pulling pulling because long as
no grappling back then zero
did you know that they were
gonna grapple when you went there
no no nothing nothing i had no clue
i saw them on the ground and then they say okay just go
wow i know so you showed
up you just thought it was just some kind of a
crazy fight you had no idea
so we’re training and i
literally when i
drove back i had
to stop my car next to the road and i had one of the
first phillips telephone
cell phones it was really cool at the time
you remember this
pretty big nose
and i called my wife i said listen um um
if my car next
to the road here i’m
gonna sleep
i said i can drive it
broke me it really
i i had to drink
liquid food for like
three days because my
whole throat was messed up because i thought i
could hold that
you know so
i was just fighting it and they were pulling pulling
till yeah that and
i would that but it was all
crushed up and
and my wife was already left and she says
okay so that’s it right
i said no no i’m
gonna go back
and within six months
three six months i’m
gonna tap everybody there
you know because i want to
learn this i want to
learn this game but things
started happening and i got an injury here an injury
there and i had to work and i was a
bouncer and you know
once a month i
would go over there
it kind of fade away
then my wife looks at me or
in the beginning of our career
and she says
you’re gonna be a
famous fighter in
japan and i go
well but you say that she says
that just came up with me i said no i’m not
gonna fight anymore i told you she said yeah you
you said holland
but you’re gonna go to japan
six months after she made that comment
i get a phone call and i
never pick up the phone
and the answering machine was broke
or turned off because my
crazy ex wife
was calling all the time so i didn’t turn on
so i get the
i pick up the
phone for some reason
and it’s crystal
money says boss
you got to come
tonight you got to come to the amsterdam
there’s a tryout there’s two guys here
suzuki for now
looking for
fighters for a new organization bankers
so i went to the tryout
i had a scuffle with one of the rings
champion because
they were fighting for rings
but it was a lot of work i
heard already
that they were having works
which by works you mean fixed
fights fixed
fights there was a lot of that in pancreas
right no in there wasn’t rings in pancreas
i will come back to that
no no i believe so that there was
but enough what the people said like they
never asked me
well i’ll come back to that
also anyway
because he told me
right there he says you know it’s probably
gonna ask you a little bit
later if you want to lose
fight anyway i
started sparring with this guy this
guy was a rings
champion he
tried to hurt me because they were filming
result was me
knocking him out with a high kick
boom and his his
whole eyebrow was open he had to go to the hospital for
stages suzuki
ifnaki i saw him
pointing at me so
they wanted me
i think two
months two and a half months
later i was in
japan and before i went i got that
speech from chris nomine
said they’re probably
gonna ask you
you know to lose or to win a
fight i said chris
i don’t want to do that
if i want to
if i fight it needs to be real
otherwise i don’t i hated those guys
who were there
and they they
would come back and
they would say
yeah became
champion and and i said
they were all cool
but then when they came back and they had to lose they
would come back and they say yeah i lost but you know
you know they
i had to lose yeah
last time they made you win
you know but you don’t
say that but you only say it when you lose so i hated
those guys with that
you know you’re not a real guy
so i knocked the
first guy out
and in the second
fight i knocked the
other guy out
fukai and then by the way we had dinner with funakya
suzuki and gaga here we go
you know so dinner they gave me a book from
fujiwara a really good
wrestler and we had
great dinner and then they put me on a cap
and just before they walked in i go whoa
i said i thought you guys were
gonna ask me
so he said what do you mean he says well chris tom
told me that
you know that
do you probably
gonna ask to to
to throw the
fight at suzuki
told me straight in my face
i will never ask you
such a thing
says we will
never do that
now over the years i’ve been hearing of course and some
fights when you look at
fights it looks really
smooth and going over
and like can
shamrock said he lost
also he lost
the lost fights were all works
you know it’s also you go like okay
he lost twice by exactly the same combination
he looked into a knee bar
against the same
opponent and you go like
if it was a
not real wouldn’t you come up with something else
would you really do two times the same
you see so that’s been also in my head
did you ever see bart vale
versus ken shamrock
no it looks so fake
it’s one of the
early ones that
looks really like a work there’s a few that look like a
really like a
work that’s one of them
you know you’ve seen the ones in
pride like remember when coleman
found oh gotta
gotta you were before
were you commentating on that one
oh my god i hated my guts because it was the funniest
thing ever we knew that coleman was
gonna lose in six minutes with a heel hook right
that’s was the word i
heard that so
when the reporters came in
they asked me what do you
think is gonna win
and i say i
think the car is
gonna win in
about six minutes with the helo
and i command around and they they
changed it but like faster or something
they didn’t
really didn’t like that that i was doing that
but i go like that’s something
again i can
that’s why i get sometimes
i get emotional from it when people say oh it was fake
and then the
worst one what they say is
yeah but sometimes
it was fake and buzz didn’t know of it
so they told the
opponent to lose
against buzz
you know like
against i fought
against funaki
and then one guy said one time he said
yeah that was the work because he didn’t
hurt you i said
when did he decide
that he was
gonna lose was it before off he tried
to break my
freaking leg
i mean i know if you don’t
if you see the fight
he pushed me in a heel hook and inverted heel hook
with the toes in his neck
and my heel is
180 degrees there i’m
literally looking at my own leg
and i go oh my god i don’t feel it you know
that i thought
nobody else
that was a big risk what he was
going to take if this was a fake
fight right
i needed it like two or
three times so you’ll see my leg
completely be turned the
other way did you suffer any damage because
no i have no clue however
this heel hook is one of the
worst it’s the
worst one i broke this
this i’m walking on the
street right
and we should
certainly be here with all the
fighters here
hybrids wrestling bankrose
and we look at is this
giant screen
and the first
thing you see is me
bath giving a bomb
strike and the
guy goes down and we go yeah you know that’s the
promo for the next day
so i see this guy take a high
she sitting
in a half guard
and he grabs a heel
and he falls back
and i go this is the time i had nobody to roll with
right i trained on the back
two times a day my
first year in the heaven
bank was was me
training on a back pretty much
what’s wrestling no no
no pretty much
nothing like would you
rolling around if there was somebody who knew judo
he would come
i mean i’m talking
about once every
three weeks
i’m not kidding
so next day i’m in that position
and i go up
might as well try it
right so i grab that heel but since i
never did it
i didn’t realize how much pressure i put on
so i grab it and i fall back
using my body weight i snap the shin in half
so first we hear we have go cock
you know so i go
up you see me letting go
and then he feels his knee
and he’s like
you wanna fight you say yeah
but i go like
dude i hurt
your knee snap because we thought it was a knee
but apparently it was
still like a little
stuck on that leg so then he kicks with that leg
and i flex my muscle
you see the
and then when he puts a foot down it
bounce all the way out you know
like that i’ve seen that
a few times well
i’ve seen a few times with
checked legs only in person once corey hill
and who the
fight i forget
we fought prince
no what the hell’s his name anyway
whoever he fought he he checks
his kick and cory hills leg snaps backwards the
referee didn’t even see it
so cory goes down the
referee was in a bad
angle we’re all
screaming stop the
fight referee
didn’t even know and he’s just on his back like
freaking out that’s dangerous man
especially the shin when it’s splintered
you know and it hits a wrong
oh yeah you can bleed
out you can bleed out
the guy here
that you showed me i think
on twitter you sent
a tweet with the guy who was
fighting with the broken arm
yeah remember
how tough is that dude
and he didn’t feel it then the referee
saw it in around
three and then they stopped the
fight but this guy was just
going annihilating the
other guy with it
it was unbelievable
both these guys were actually really good
i go what organization was that
well you know
rich franklin when he fought
chuck liddell
you got his
army punched
chuck with it
after it was broken yeah
god so you went and
after you your
fighting career was done then you
started doing the commentary
in in japan you had a couple
fights after that
the the ruben villarreal
fight you had in the wfa
yeah and what what happened was that i
would have mark kerr and marco
huas and beto
hezo and all
these guys they were
training with us
at the beverly hills jujutsu club and i
would train
those guys and i
would go with them as cornerman
and in in japan when you when you
fight you see the
fights are on in the
dressing room
so i’m sitting i’m
watching there and yukino
and hideki those two guys the people
from pride who live in america you know who are
in between persons are the same
are there also
and i go like oh look at that he’s
gonna go for straight arm bar
sounds right arm
watch out watch out there he comes here we
come boom and the guy’s got straight arm
so they look at me
and then the next
fight it’s right away also
again i said oh my god he’s looking for a knee bar
oh he’s gonna roll in life but she’s
gonna roll he’s
gonna go for any but
i showed a few rolls and
it goes for anybody and they go like how do you notice
i said you can see the setup
and they look at each
other and said
did you ever
think about being a commentator
and that’s how
i got the job who was doing it before you
nobody because
they were looking at that moment they were looking at
at new people because they had the first
nine or something
quadros and i we did that in a studio
later you know
yeah but but i we i think the
first one was um
cause that no
eddie did it with quadros for a
while eddie bravo
he did it also yeah and you came in and
which gracie
which gracie there was the
first one i was there
that was the
first one i
think that got broadcast
into the state
now this is it
after you’d fought in the ufc
after you’d won the
title did you were you
completely done i mean you obviously had another
fight in the wfa
after that what was it like
being there and
pride during the
glory days and you know did you think
about making comebacks
cause i know there was a talk
yeah yeah no i did i did it was two times two times
one time it was against
evangelist silva yeah
because they needed an
opponent for him that was at the event
that dynamite of a 91 and a half thousand people man
life outside crazy
you know and i couldn’t find an
opponent and i said listen i did a role for a long time
because i have
problems i said but everybody wants to see a
strike anyway
why and and
was also at the same god was k one you remember jerome
the better was
fighting don’t
fight k one rules
so i said so why don’t we
do k one rules
with mma gloves
i mean that’s
what the people want to see anyway you know from us too
but then that’s
why i didn’t go through they they took somebody else
and yeah that
would have been awesome and because at that time
man i i was
i was hurting like
a guy holds
the tide patch i mean it
would have purple arms he
was go my god this is no fun anymore you know because
i was in shape
you know i had a real good
stand man fuck that
would have been a
great fight
against vandale
holy shit a pure
stand up fight
and then and then
when ken came to
pride i was the
first one to say
i say i come out of retirement if you if i can find him
but can’t say no we did it already twice
we don’t need to do it the third time
really so he declined to fight in
pride with you yeah
that’s what he came personally to tell me he says boss
i told him that i didn’t want to do because we were
ready for two times
what does that mean yep
and you fought pancreas you
never fought an mma
i would have
but also at that time i was a totally different
fighter like you can’t fight
against me made me who i am that
fight was like
literally god was
watching and he says okay i give you this one guy to
train with in holland
nineteen year old
leon van dijk
freaking monster he did
on a machine with two hundred and
seventy five
pounds you would do curls
it was bizarre i
would have him in an armbar
and i better do two hands because he
literally would
start doing this
this is insanely
strong and i
started training
both we didn’t know anything and we
would watch tapes
i would watch tapes and i
would see a heel hoop for instance
i would write down how it works
next day we
start rolling i
would go heel hook
go heel hook
i say okay now let’s
break this down let’s see how we can make it better
okay how can you escape well if i push
this way okay so how can i stop you from doing this
and we start
breaking down
every little
thing i say okay you
basically did it by yourself
describe everything
no high level instruction at all nothing
i did everything myself and
you know that’s the cool part because
one time i got a
phone call when my big dvds of combat come out
and i was at the time and bj fourth met use
all the way back
and bj called me and i say hey boss is bj said
bj pen yeah i said wow i say
where do i oh this pleasure for
is i just want to
tell you made the best instruction that i’ve ever seen
i said man that is so cool he says you
gotta go i gotta do my run
so whoa let me can i use your quote
it’s simple but that’s cool
stuff and i
saw and i realized also that a lot of people
a lot of fighters took
everything straight out
jiu jitsu and they put it into
mixed martial arts and a lot of
stuff straight out
jiu jitsu doesn’t work it makes martial arts because
it needs to be more compact
like the sleeve
will take care that it’s
harder for you to roll out of an armbar so that’s why
armbars with me i always control the inside of the hand
so you can rotate your hand whatever
armbar pretty much i do it’s always control control
because i don’t want it to rotate
you know and
with helix we
start breaking
everything down and i say okay
if i would tap in for
instance with
an armbar from the mountain
i’m just making something up
he would after
three times he
would know my setup
so i would create a different way
to go to the
downbar he would find that one
out and then i
would create a different way
so then certainly i start for
every move i
start having
three or four different ways to go to that
submission and then i
start tossing
those around
that seems so
crazy it’s like you had to
learn jiu jitsu on your own
on my own you had to figure it out
like look at how people were doing it and deconstruct
it and then my next
eight fights i
trained for
three months i think
two times a day sometimes i
would wake up at
night would call him
and we go around
he think i was always game always
and we would train
and my next
eight fights i won by submission
that’s ridiculous
so when did you ever get real
legitimate jiu
jitsu instruction did you get someone
never never
never yeah your
whole career yourself
taught yeah
everything that’s cool wow
and the cool part and
i always said is because i’m very
proud of it and that’s why i’m saying it
as you if you look at the record
in pancras that rope escapes
right that means
that if you
could get in a
choke but you could
touch the rope
they had to
let you go it’s
ridiculous but
but on the other side
it’s really good for you as a
fighter to develop
because now you have to make be more
strategical now you have to make sure that you have
him in the center of the ring before you go so then
again if you’re
gonna miss it
you’re in the center of the ring
so there’s more
thinking which sometimes i
wanna fight
with like four
submissions
so instead of
going out there i had now four
submission victories pretty much in one
fight and i
think that that’s why
the pancras guys were so good in
uc i think six or seven
guys from pancras became all
ufc champion
because they
of that rule i
truly believe
i know it’s crazy
i always said as long as i don’t get have to escape
because if i
escaped for me that
would feel like a loss
but i didn’t
see so even
allowing them to escape
to you it’s good because it just means you get more
submission work in yeah
i have another
fight now so
you have more
fights so you feel like you won you
won already and now let’s do it and let’s do it again
and then if you look at the ways i submitted people
you can call a
submission okay
a go go plot i didn’t do but you can come up with some
crazy stuff
i put it every
he looks normally he looks inverted knee bar triangle
choke triangle armbar
figure force
how many fights did you have over in pancraz
uh 31 31 yeah
holy shit over the course of how many years that
was only over the course of five years i fought the
first year i fought nine
fights and the
second nine
again and that
night eight
again i mean how did i
go i thought that in a pretty
short time so by the time you got to the ufc
you had a shitload
of fights like all the muay thai
fights all the pancreas
fights and then finally you got to fight
mma style finally because i
i want to go to the ufc
for the for the
entrance song
i kid you not i thought that was the coolest
thing old original
and i’m do do
do from eindhoven holland
you know and i go
i want to come up with that song that is so cool
and that really that’s
they came ask me i said but that was the
the deciding factor that i said okay i wouldn’t do it
because i just love that song
and then they
promoted the shit out of you when you first came
i remember that i gave you one of the posters
brian sold it on ebay i used to have the
the world’s best martial
art greatest martial artist
but it was cool and and i had a
great idea i had that the three two norse
you know pavarotti and all
these guys they had this they did a tour
and on one of those tracks i like to be in america
and it’s a 43
second clip
and i told him
i said i like to be in america you know and i thought
okay please let me put on that clip for 43
seconds and then the
ufc tuner comes up i mean i’m
gonna score
here in america
right i was so
worried about your opening
music oh man that was it for
every fighter i always got that that’s
right did you
read the script already for
kevin’s movie
no i haven’t read it okay because you’re in it
right yeah yeah
so it’s really fun
james you don’t know he’s
trained with you a
bunch of times
right yeah yeah
yeah he did the
he’s very talented martial artist he really is people
gonna they don’t
know people were talking a lot of shit like
kevin james and comedian
he’s gonna do a ufc
movie kevin
james can hit the fucking shit out of the path yeah
i see your lights are
gonna freak
when i was in boston when i was doing that zookeeper
movie with him we
trained with marc telegrate
and was like god
damn dude his fucking technique is
chris and and you know what if you if you
if i say okay you need to hit open your hip a little
bit more don’t he’ll do it the next time he’s a very
smart dude yeah
he is he really is he hates it when we say this
because she said oh i don’t want people you know
i’m just he’s a very
very humble guy yes for a
successful guy oh
yeah i met him
when he lives on that
apartment on overland
in a one bedroom
apartment which he shared with another guy
yeah and now he lives in the
house yeah you know
where he lives yeah
yeah and then you go like he’s the same dude same guy
same guy i know
kevin since he was
basically an open micer i was the one who talked to
my manager into signing him
oh wow you’d
only been doing comedy just like me we were both
basically open micers
we had done a little bit of professional work but
i mean we’ve been doing comedy two
three years
you’re really an open micer that’s getting paid
you’re an amateur
basically that’s when
kevin and i met we men like
shit 91 maybe 92
yeah he said
that you and he
would watch the pancreas
fights all that together
yeah yeah yeah that used
to come over my
house and then seen
him we would
watch him man
i had a buddy of mine from canada
who would get them from
japan he had
a connection in
japan so he
would get them they
would send them to canada and then he
would send them from canada to me
and then we would
watch them at my
house got all japanese commentary you know i
watched all of them i
watched you know i did get a
stack of them
every month
yeah this was before i was even working for the
ufc there was
a you know before i ever even
started thinking
about doing commentary yeah
yeah we were just fans that’s
how did you ever get in there because you went
from fear factor
before that
i started working in 97 before you came to the ufc i
done the post
fight interviews
for about two years
i started at
ufc 12 dolton alabama vitor
belfort’s debut
okay and i did it then i was on news
radio and what
happened was they just needed a guy to do the post
fight interviews
they didn’t have anybody and my manager was friends
with the guy
who the same guy who signed kevin
my manager was friends with the guy who was one
of the producers of the show this guy campbell mclaren
who was also the guy who
tried to get me to
fight wesley snipes one day so
they needed someone to do the post
fight interviews
and so he just
sent me to fucking alabama
out of nowhere and before you know what i’m doing it
was very unorganized though it’s not like the ufc today
i did it for
maybe two years but i saw a lot of
great fights you
know shamrock vs an ovia i saw
frank i saw
randy kotor’s debut
vito belford’s debut
dan henderson’s
debut amino’s there for a lot of
great great
fights but it
started to cost me
money so i quit it was like i
would make more
money doing comedy than that so
it was a little too and i was
on newsradio at the time the sitcom so i was too busy
so i quit and then when the
ufc came along
when zufer rather purchased the ufc then
i started working for them
that was tough
and when did you fear
fear factor that was at that time also
yeah to fear factor
was 2001 i believe it
started and
i was already on
fear factor when i
started working for the
ufc i did it
as a favor the
first i think
eight shows i did for free yeah
i just said
you know they wanted me to do commentary and it’s like
all right i’ll do it i’ll sit in there i’ll yeah
just was just talking you know
yeah really honestly i shouldn’t have been paid for the
first ones i wasn’t really good
yeah no but
still you know
that’s the same as
fighting you
you don’t care
about money but
until you know something
you go like okay well actually she’s get paid for it
then it became you know
that became the
thing that i
enjoyed most
i mean it was like
stand up comedy i
enjoy the most i’ll always be a fan of
mixed martial arts even when i’m not doing
if i retire
one day and stop doing commentary i’m always
gonna watch the
fight i’m always
gonna be a fan
but i’m always
gonna do stand up
comedy as a professional so that’s my number one thing
but other than that
all the things that i’ve ever done in my life like a
ufc or a fear factor or a news radio or
the ufc’s the
greatest fucking job ever i mean i love it
i always loved it also in
japan i will say tomorrow i
would say tomorrow
we’re the only two
in six billion
right now who see
freaking fader
versus crow
cop yeah oh
fader and no
guerra you know those epic
fights and and vandal a silver
annihilating you know
sakuraba like wow
crazy stuff and they were
there for some
prime oh it’s
pride in the
for people who don’t know
weren’t aware of
pride pride
in the heyday
was one of the best if not the best
organization in the
world because
they had so many different rules
first of all there were a lot of
things that i like
they had 10 minutes for the first
round i like that
because then
a lot of times a guy
would take a guy down with five minutes
into the fight and then the
round would end yeah
you know and he was just
starting to get
impose his part of the game yeah
but in the in the the
pride rules they
would give him a full ten
minute first round and
they allowed soccer kicks and
stomps i mean it was a lot
more displays and no
elbows on the ground no elbows
you have less cuts
that’s it that’s what i always
say i want to have the maloneys
underground you know
and get away from the guts yeah we know how many
knockouts that you see with an
elbow right five
yeah if that yeah ever
well it’s a good weapon i mean look john
jones when he used it on
branded vera i mean he broke his
orbital bone oh yeah no
but that but that’s then one of the five
mmm yeah name the
other four yeah see not
that many yeah but yeah
but a lot of
fights get stopped by cuts
and a lot of guys and i hate that because of the on the
street you wouldn’t stop if you get
cut you keep on
fighting you know it’s not a real win
i’m gonna discard
guys who make careers out of it you know
but still it’s an effective weapon
i feel like you can’t take it away either because
it’s so good it’s a good technique
but okay maybe what they
should do is
yeah but again they don’t pad that
elbow so something around it that at
least it doesn’t cut i’m totally for it if you
knock them out man
i’m the biggest guy
but not like laying on somebody
and literally do
they don’t even load them up
right right just rub them rub them rub
them and then they get cut and they win the fight yeah
i want to find no you didn’t win the fight
for me it didn’t win that
fight do you
think they could
solve that with a neoprene
sleeve on the the
elbow maybe
with a problem
is you know it’s like this
crazy time we tie
things that
have arrived
you know that always
starts moving
wing and around it’s gonna be
annoying people
gotta you know
maybe surgically
they have to
implant one
surgically implant a pad over your elbow
man it’s hot
here or not
yeah it’s you you’re all
fired up yeah this is
awesome i like this
so you did two
fights in the ufc
after you won the
title with random and what
made you stop
pain pain pain
pain that neck injury
i brought it all the way to the randelman
fight and it was
still not gone it was hurting i couldn’t
sleep i wasn’t
sleeping pills for such a long time because of
the pain there was always pain pain in my neck
and then i said you know what i’m
gonna so i tore
biceps like
throwing the left hook in the air pocket and go
oh my god what’s
going on now you know i stopped
breaking down
breaking down
and then i started
i didn’t do anything
then i started
training like
three years
after that i
started training and it went
start going good and the ground start
going good and
you know okay
everything feels good
and then i stopped
and then like two years later
two and a half years
later they that’s when they call me for the wfa
if i was interested
they offered me a lot of
money and and
apparently what happened it was
funny also because they
came earlier polo
to him they said
he says who do you want to
fight and i said
hixon no at
first i said hixon
right they said we don’t have the
money for that it’s
never gonna happen
i said okay then
hixon’s crazy
right he wants millions of
yeah that was at the time
you know and i was just want to see what you can do
against him right
and so they
by the way that
would have been another awesome
fight that would have been awesome fight
holy shit you
against van
delay or you
against oh shit
yeah that’s a shame
anyway then i said
i don’t know
you know i don’t
so you thought villareal
so no no no they said
kimberly apollo
positive for steroids yeah but
when they said kimberly
polish are you sure i said
when i just hang out with them in
japan when he fought in
japan it’s kind of
weird i said no no no he actually wants to
fight you i said oh cool
so then when we get the
photo shoot i go to the
photo shoot and he’s there and he’s acting all
weird like giving me hand but like
shying away and
i go like wow he’s taking
this fight very serious
right i mean what’s
going on oh yeah we told him that you specifically
asked for him
i said why would you do that
that’s not true
and then i thought you know what
am i gonna tell him
but then i said no i’m not
gonna tell him because if i tell him
you know then
maybe he’s not
gonna train us hard i wanted to have a
tough fight
you know so i thought he’s
angry he’s gonna
train harder there’s
gonna be awesome fight
and then i thought
that was my
crazy mind i say on the day of the fight
i would deliver a letter to him in the
the dressing room
saying exactly what i just said so he
would read like i
i knew this already but i didn’t
wanna tell you
because i want you to be a hundred percent
before you fight me and a full of stamina because you
gonna need it
and that way i
think that would be totally backfiring right
away just before you fight
so that was the
setup to to play
and then yeah he got tested positive
so that was so
that ruben had to take his
place ruben
took it now
no there were a lot of guys that gabbit
didn’t want to do it and
there’s a lot of
bunch of guys they went over because i said anybody
they came up with that because i didn’t
so ruben was just the only one who was
willing to take the fight yeah
now when you were over there in
japan and you were were there for all
those great
fights like no
guerra versus
no guerra versus crow cop and
no guerra versus fade or and
what was that
like sitting there ringside i mean did you
want to just fucking jump in there sometimes no you get
crazy you get
crazy you get you
you were over there for some of the greatest
fights ever ever
ever and nobody gets to take that away from you
what they said
about my fights also i want to fight the
first two fights in
bankers and one guy in holland
says he said boss
everybody was saying oh he’s
gonna lose he’s
gonna lose he’s
gonna lose you know like a very negative
public country
and one guy says boss whatever happens
they never take this away from you anymore
so lock this up they got you got this you know
and that’s with
those fights also that’s something that you
carry on with the rest of your life they were
great moments
and to interview
those guys you know
to reenact with
them and do
crazy stuff and then
when i inquire to
start doing
these crazy openings you
know yeah those
were fun man i liked those no
who didn’t like
those cause
they pulled
those things out there was that
jerry millen came
out that guy yeah you know
he was certainly everything
the same as boxing
and i go why is it
gonna be the same as everybody else you know
let it be like
how many fights did you do over there in
pride how many
cards oh god i don’t know i mean it but when they
started bushido
also i was there
twelve times a
month a year
every month i was like five six i
yeah i have no clue but during
the heyday it must have been
completely insane i mean i
heard stories
about guys getting paid with
stacks of money
stacks of money was crazy
old chris bold numbers
exactly in a row
i mean i think
if they would walk in there
with guns but yeah then again
you don’t want to do that i guess
there’s a lot of
money there
japan is run by the yakuza
right that’s the
whole deal with
pride and all
these organizations they’re basically
and that’s accepted that’s a part of japanese culture
right is that just how it works no no no no
it’s not accepted
because when it came out
then it was over right
then because then the tv said
we don’t want to be associated with it
and they pulled the
money out or was it was that just
because it was made public but it was already known i
think it was made public i gotta
forget this it was
the pass from joe rogan
for a buddy of mine
oh yeah i gave him a
ufc password yeah
that’s cool
is that your
phone that keeps
going on i have no
clue let me see
oh my battery’s too low for use
okay good i’ll turn it out
so when you were over there though when you were
watching all
these classic
fights i mean like i said you’d been there for
i mean you were there for
shogun mark coleman
you were there for
shogun versus rampage rampage
versus arona i mean
some of the
greatest fights of all time
rampage the
things that we did with rampage how
you know i remember my first
when he fought
sakuraba and he lost that fight
i took him to the side i
said listen
you got it man
you got this
thing they love you
i say make sure this
doesn’t happen anymore
because they actually had to get him out of jail
to get that
fight there was a
whole stress thing
going on because he
had a warrant
out of him or something and he was at the airport
and they got him and they put him in jail
really yeah but at the
pride people
started talking they got him out they made
pictures of it
he’s standing in
front of the jail
it was on the
cover of all the newspapers he was
standing there with his big chain
you know and that was
that was quentin
he came in now
the what was
going on back then
at that time was
pride was a
mainstream japanese sensation
it was huge in mainstream
japan right it wasn’t like
mixed martial arts in america back then
was not nearly as
successful as it is
today oh you
a small show
was 43 000 people
damn yeah and they
would sell out
all the time the biggest show 91 and a half
tokyo dome 55 60 000
i mean it was
crazy and you
would go out on the
street and you
would get mobbed it was oh man
everywhere everybody yeah
so what happened what happened over there
cause it stopped being
like that it stopped being like because of that i i
because the yakuza
yeah when when
when the tv pulled
everything out
it was over
that’s when
everything went down to
dread but it was so
successful so
many people liked it i couldn’t imagine that
someone else
wouldn’t come
along no no no no no i
think the main reason of this
is sakuraba
started to lose
you like an organization in
japan in order to be
successful they
need japanese star star
and where you’re gonna
fight good luck
to find another
sakuraba who beat for gracie’s
not unbelievable fighter
you know but it is k one
never got big
in america why they don’t have an american champion
right they have an american
champion in america k one
but that guy
doesn’t do good
at the final tournament
so but once an american guy
is going to win in japan
you watch then
k1 becomes very interesting for the people and it’s
logic you know you want to root for your own guy
that’s funny
though because
i mean horse gracie when he won
in america he was a hugely
popular guy and he’s from brazil yeah i
think if they had k1 over in america i just
think people
dana white and i had a conversation
about this when he was talking about how
kickboxing has a negative stigma in america
because of pka
karate the old
boring kickboxing that
used to have on
es8 gigs above the
waist or something
you couldn’t even kick low
couldn’t kick
low at all very few of the
i mean they
would occasionally they
would show you a low kick
fight you know
allow like special rules or special rule
dutch rules yeah
for the most part it was like they
would wear those big
stupid slippers on
their feet yeah
they wouldn’t really kick it wasn’t
exciting wasn’t really as
exciting as boxing or muay
thai but the k1
now if you watch the
grand prix now that’s
bizarre so so best
show ever so
exciting best
show and max as well you know the k1 max
every later
week guys and it’s georgia
petrosian i mean shit
unbelievable
right tell me that guy couldn’t be a star in america or
you know alistair
especially yeah but
the thing is
in the beginning
it will work
but eventually
people want to see an american
champion well i
think maybe
if it was really big and
successful over here you
would have you know some americans that
would do well
but they would have to
they would have to know that that’s a
legitimate avenue for a
profession you know guys
like that barry
you know guys who are real
serious fucking
strikers you know
there’s not that many of them
there is not no there’s really not
and you know the
in america it’s
just there’s no
venue they have
to go out of the country to get like real high
level it’s very hard
it’s very maury
smith would say
you know he was at the top of the pyramid at the time
and he didn’t make
it over there so then you know they go like okay well
guess who was
gonna beat maury
smith in america
nobody right
right yeah maurice
that was he was another interesting guy when he
first came to the ufc
i was there for his
debut i was there when he fought mark coleman
nobody gave
him a chance you know everybody thought more he’s
gonna get killed yeah remember backstage he’s so
relaxed yeah he was hanging out and goofing around and
laughing like this guy know he’s
gonna go get
fucking founded yeah by the biggest guy in the game you
know mark coleman
was a fucking
monster yeah
but maurice
just it was the
first guy to have like that real high
level cardio
you know was the
first guy that just not get
tired he knew
mark was gonna get tired yep
and i fought him i fought him
twice maurice
yeah right you
submitted him didn’t you
yeah twice yeah
it was fun you know the best one was the
first time i’m
standing here
and he makes giga go punch him
and it goes
real fast and
right away i give him a high kick
boof and it’s on his defense
clap very close
so i think oh cool i make another one
right away i make
switch kick
and i kick and i slip and i fall on the ground
and he wants to jump on top of me and i go wait
he stops and i get up and i go thanks
so when you said wait
yeah you just listen to yeah you gotta see that
fight you gotta
laugh is the funniest
thing hey it’s
legal right
that’s hilarious yeah that was hilarious that was funny
and then he
tried to take my back this was the coolest i did
a mini bar upside down knee bar i’m on my head feet up
knee barring him
i’m standing
against the ropes and he’s trying to get my back
so you just dove
down on a knee bar that’s it i go like okay get my back
so right away when he did i dove in
but he grabs the ropes
so i’m standing upside down at the top of my head
left the knee bar he’s
he’s tapping into ropes your rope
escaping wow
yeah that was wild
man you were really there for some
crazy times what is it like now
going from like your your very beginnings
where there was no
mixed martial arts
where you went over there you were
literally had no idea what it was like
to seeing what it’s like now
you know with like kane velasquez
and all these guys
unbelievable
you have to
understand that what i keep from thai boxing right
you get weight glasses
it’s like boxing
so i came to japan
and the first
thing i see is my opponent
is 245 pounds
and i’m 195
so i go like okay but i didn’t want
to show anything of course because okay this what it is
right you gotta fight
so i go okay cool cool cool cool i said how many
rounds i say one
round i said awesome how many minutes
thirty say awesome
but i didn’t
think inside
awesome i go
thirty minutes
i’m gonna fight
thirty minutes
you know that’s why i put
those r’s on my hand
i have to stay
relaxed because i’m such a hot ad
that’s what the r
stood for yeah
relaxed yeah in holland it
starts with an r also so what’s coincidentally is
it’s for routin
no no no for
rustic stay
comfortable
every time when i get hit
you hear my corner you listen to the
fight you go
stay calm stay calm stay calm because they know i
wanna that’s that’s why
in holland were
all first round
knockouts i
would come out for a technical pop boom
as long as you get
hit you get
crazy oh i got
crazy so i figured i said man if i’m
gonna fight a guy like a rookie machado
you know we can take a lot of punishment
but then come back and i got 28 more minutes to go
whoa we’re gonna
shoot load i don’t want
to have that so i put the two r’s on my hand and they
would sound
they never shouted
an instruction the only instruction they
shout is like when i’m in a guard
i would tell them
right this is my easiest
guard escape on the planet
imagine the
guard is here and his left foot
is on top right
i would look at my corner and it
would go right and i
would swing back and
under hook it
and grab it
they would be the eyes for me
and i till this
day i don’t get it that nobody does this
it’s the simplest
thing on the planet
to know which foot is on top so he’s got a
lucky push up yeah
because it’s not being held so you
just look at him and they go
right and then you
relax and then
whoop pick it up oh
that’s hilarious do you do that for your guys as well
oh yeah yeah i did it also yeah you
gotta be careful
you don’t get caught in a triangle though no
oh you know you know that
right right yeah
this is not like
while he’s pulling on your arm
let’s try it now
man how old diamond plays how
crazy is it
watching the
evolution of the game
i mean literally in america there has
never been a
sport like mixed martial arts that has
exploded and
changed and grown
right before our eyes
i mean some sports got
famous like
skateboarding and
bmx riding i mean some
stuff that wasn’t
a viable way
to make a living when i was a kid became one
but nothing like
mixed martial arts
where it was just constantly in the public eye in
movies and jammed down your throat on
television i mean
it’s pretty fucking strange isn’t it
it’s i predicted it
right away after my
first fight they did an interview
with me and i said this is like a rollerball that movie
this people
gonna need like an outlet
you know and this is it this is
gonna be very big i say you’re
watching four years from now or no
yeah i said
it four years from now this will be the biggest
thing and it was like
seven years
later or something i was like way off in time
but eventually it got there i go like what is
what is better than this
i knew at that time already that everybody likes to be
to know who’s the
toughest guy on the planet and this is
literally being the
toughest guy
i was an inside
mma last week
and i was ashamed
about a comment that i made
against frank
because we had a comment
that one guy says oh
mma is just like two guys
rubbing against each
other on the floor
and then i told them the
story that i was fighting
frank and then
i stood up and i said to frank
come up he says no no you come down i said no come up
fight like a man
you know and i go
i’m eating those words
right now because when i
broke that guy shin bone
because i had no clue how much power that
was on that joint
you know that really
started making me
think and i go
you have to
understood it
the ground guy can
break whatever he wants in your body
you got so much dominant
power if i roll with guys
my students
they brought a
stand with me then the ground
because of the ground they say you always you there
standing they can move around you know
right and they get hell out of there he
says but it’s way harder on the ground
so i go like wow listen
i can dislocate
break snap i can do whatever i want if i say okay your
right arm is
gonna go your
right arm is
gonna go to any
guy on the street
you know i mean talking
about power compared to
knocking somebody out
i can put you to
sleep i can do some
crazy things with you
it’s a very
strange thing
the jiu jitsu that
just came out
of nowhere i mean when i was a kid it was all
about striking there was
no one ever took judo
i wrestled in high
school but you know i just did it as a
sport you know
and i got bored with it
quick because it just didn’t seem
like there’s anything
going on you know
the guy down but it wasn’t
submitting submitting them
and once jiu jitsu came
along man it’s amazing how much it’s evolved
you look at like mma
look at the
jiu jitsu that was in
mma in 93 and look at the
jiu jitsu see now with like chakra ray
damian maya
you know fucking
so many levels
above it the
thing is what i
always say i say all the moves are pretty much invented
right but it’s the
setups they
found such creative ways to go to a
particular move that is the cool part
about mixed martial arts style
if you have that set up that nobody noticed yet
you see how many times you remember the
first time the anaconda got
introduced in pride
the guy from the garris camp
they said we call this anaconda
that was no garrett told me yeah because nobody saw the
freaking thing before boom everybody
start landing anaconda
yeah you know darse
joke same thing boom
suddenly there’s
the dars you know oh you can do it on the other
instead the armpit you go to the
you see so people stop playing with it and they create
these different ways like deed
lister against the
suck what is the ala
the italian guy suck
alessio sakari
the way he said the triangle choke up
i mean wow that was so cool it was so
sneaky slowly but surely that bloop
you know you go like
that is cool lister’s a master it’s
unbelievable right
yeah i mean lister if
dean lister was around the
early ufcs nobody had jujutsu like him
93 you know even hoist
crazy didn’t his jujutsu was very
basic it wasn’t
nothing like you know the jujutsu that you see
today you know
there’s a few guys that they say when they
compare jiu
jitsu they stay
you know like hixon is a perfect example
people today even high level
black belts that
roll with him just say that guy is on another level
there’s just a few guys that are just
you know leborio
ricardo leborio’s another one they say
about that he’s just on another level
just to such a high
level of jiu jitsu
but overall
the level of
jiu jitsu from the new guys like the
marcelo garcias
you know these new guys coming along
fucking sis
it’s so high
level it’s so much
more advanced than it was just 10 15 years ago you know
you know what a cool
thing is with liborio
he saw me rolling with jo ki manson
in china news
watching there and then he’s for
show started showing me
things and i said what he
could do with
those particular lag locks and how we
could do this and
make it there
stronger and
and he was sitting look at me and he was like
oh i said oh you thought i was a
striker right and he go i didn’t know
and then it’s finished that
he wanted me
to come to an american top team to
teach a ground
fighting semi
that is cool stuff
well it’s good to have a
fresh perspective you know i mean you
never know that everybody has
their own way of doing
things that you
haven’t seen it before
that’s it you
know there’s
so many different techniques what people don’t
understand that don’t do
jiu jitsu there’s
so many different techniques that are
available it’s like
it’s like chess if you had a million
pieces you know there’s
so many different
submissions and so many different
transitions and
chains of submissions and new techniques and new
counters and yeah but i believe in
it’s good to know them all but
for every fight you have to say okay i’m
going to use this
particular move for that guy
i don’t go crazy on this
deal because you know
and then have
those different
setups that is the key man i
would set up one to four
and go from one to four to
two to back to one to boom cart
some guys like jake
shields jake
shields is very basic
he doesn’t do a lot of different techniques rear naked
choke arm bar
guillotine choke
but he just fucking gets them yeah
i mean notion
yeah his path to
those techniques is so sharp yep
what do you
think so what do you
think about guys
today like when you look at
these guys today and you know
do you ever wish like man i was
did you ever say like
i came along too late like what do i want why yeah
on one side yeah but you know i always go with the
glasses have fool with me
you know i i’m in a
great position
right now man i mean i got a
movie coming up with a big part for this you know the
kevin james comedy
you know i got
the tv show my wife predicted that one also by the way
what’s the inside
what’s that ever
made i mean
this is like
this is our fourth year
it’s crazy it’s nice
and my wife when she she predicted that i was
gonna be a fighter in
japan and i said no because i’m not
gonna fight she says she had holland you’re
gonna go to
japan watch
six months later i’m in japan
and two years into that
she looks at me weird
again i said now what
she says we’re
gonna go to america you’re
gonna be in tv business
swear to god how did you ever get that
a part of the
grand theft auto
like the men’s room was probably one of the funniest
things ever
are you gonna ever do another one
what is it i
haven’t seen it oh go on youtube he has a show
yeah he has
inside the grand theft auto
i would just sit there to
watch his show
inside the video games
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
buzzword in gta 4
that was they say
these guys from bar
fighting they saw it
and what they did they gave me a
script i said can i
tweet this thing and they say sure
so i would start
building sentences in the middle of the sentence i
would stop and then restart it so it looks like
i’m a total
freaking psycho when i’m talking it’s like really
weird because it
doesn’t work and
and the the result when you see the result is one of my
final work man
i had to send
people out there i say you can because they were
cracking up so hard
all the guys who fought though you’re the very best in
my opinion at
transitioning into a career outside of
fighting and you do inside mma
you do commentary
you’re always do so by the way
you and michael shievello
when you did the commentary for
strike force for the
undercard was
the fucking best part of the night
i loved it i
loved it you guys need to do it together i love
shievello i
think it’s fucking hilarious
you guys together were awesome somebody really needs to
scoop you up and have you guys do
more commentary
yeah you know
i love doing it but this
right now you know this is one of
those things that i thought i would
never say but i’m so busy
i don’t have the time for it anymore
but anytime i have a chance like for instance
now i’d go to brussels
you know and then i do this just like
three days before i have to go to boston to shoot
she said why
do you do it you don’t need to do it i say yeah but i
enjoy it i enjoy it so much to go there
and there i’m also the ring announcer
and they let me free i get slapped
girls i do fun
stuff you know what
is brussels
mixed martial arts
mixed martial arts and the k1 tournament
you know both at the same time
sharky is fighting i’ve seen
they had one before
right yeah also one inside
mma which yes
yeah inside
mma by the way if you don’t have hd
net you’re missing out hd net is
the best for
watching fights
there’s always
k1 k1 max they have
100 different
mfcs on 100 different
mixed martial arts organizations
fights from japan
fights from europe
it’s really incredible
and that’s where inside
mma your show is on as well
i love it and the
thing i love
about it is i see my old buddies
again whether they’re
still fighting or they’re now
coaches from guys
and then i see the new
talent coming up
you know and
we all have them on the show you know we
would have thought you
could get a bossy award
you know like you can win a bossy
if you have the
greatest knockout of the year or something
how cool is that you know it’s
we really want to
start doing that
thing i think in the
front of a live audience that
would be cool to do also
but it’s really getting there we
never thought it was
gonna go like that
you know when it just
exploded from the half hour show we went
right away to an hour
and now commercials
are there so that means we’re doing a good
thing with the hottest show on adj
net yeah maison
mma is great
it’s a really really fun show to
watch now what
about guys that you know that you
started out with that have
taken a lot of damage
you know i mean you
didn’t take damage you took damage to your body like
you have tendinitis but you have no problem with your
thinking no
but what is it like when you see guys
that do because it disturbs the shit out of me really
it’s really sad the way i know a few guys that
start lisping and it’s
scary stuff
you know the like alosky
fight though
you know andre
you know i love this guy he’s a really nice guy
i know he wants to
fight he already wants to
prepare for the next
fight i think somebody
should say you know what
let’s not do it
what do you think
about greg jackson saying that he’s gonna get
right back in there they’re just
gonna fix it and he
did some things
wrong but he’s not done and he’s
gonna come back it’ll be even
sweeter than ever
and i’m listening i’m talking i’m like
motherfucker do you know that this guy’s
been knocked
unconscious
four times in a row
you can you can kill
everything for the rest yeah
you know i mean maybe
he’s not gonna be a
teacher anymore nothing but makes martial
art that’s the bad
thing also is
like your legacy is
going down what are you
gonna be a coach
you’re gonna go to a gym to
train with a guy who lost his last
seven fights imagine you’re a guy like that
before do i
knock out no
i’m not there was not alosky i’m doing but i lost
you right now yeah
you know they
should what i said what i should do
should tell them
okay you know what
you’re not gonna
fight for a year
and in between we’re
gonna do some
grappling tournaments to keep the competition on there
and you’re busy and it
doesn’t matter if you win
or lose who cares about it
just be busy with competition so you
you perform
under pressure
and then if
everything feels good you know
then maybe try
it one more time but then really say okay if this is
gonna go the
wrong way you really
gotta stop like it took
about a year off from the
rogers fight didn’t he
yeah but in my book
if i was my student
it was no i
would say no this has
been shut off too many times yeah
because i don’t
want to be that nail in the coffin that’s
gonna say god knows what happens what
about a guy like alstar that got stopped up
bunch of times i mean alistar got stopped like
think nine times in his career
bobby hoffman
knocked them out chocolate
del knocked them out so many guys stopped him and
look at them now
i mean i know the
greatest comeback ever
i know but you you
you see this fighting
style how he fights
he doesn’t throw
i was i was looking at so
let it go make
three four shots pa
pa pa paddy
doesn’t do that
everything is single shots
his defense is perfect boom
boom boom every watch
you know there’s no
three right
uppercut left took
he’s very good and
he knows you know yeah of course
tries not to get hit
tries not to get hit and it’s
gonna be hard for people to hit him
it’s so much power
you know i mean look at look
the striking is
bizarre the guy is so
strong his take
down his fence is getting really good he’s a
great submissions ground control is really good
no one’s ever
been like alistair
that won the k1
grand prix and is a
mixed martial arts
champion yep
dream and strike
force three belts pretty fucking crazy yeah
yeah that’s really cool stuff
that’s a guy you know
this is cool he
trained in the
early days he
trained chris dolman
when i was training there
he had his brother valentine
and i would
submit them
and then they
would they’re very competitive
and then if i
wouldn’t come over there
they suddenly
would call and they say oh we’re at your gym
we want to train now because now we’re
gonna get you
i say okay and then
it went again
and they say how is that possible i said because i’m
training too
well but i always said that’s the guy
those are the guys because
they keep on coming keep on coming i want more and
travel for it
he wants it and the guy who really wants it
it really is
like that it’s like the book i always say the alchemist
you know if you set your goal you say that’s
where i want to go
whatever you do you don’t get off the path you know
you are gonna get it i
truly believe
there’s something up there that helps you for that nope
go go relentless
don’t walk over people though
in order to get there
unless you’re andro
lovski and you’ve been knocking
out four times in a row
yeah that’s true
but physically you have to stop and look at it and go
all right what are we
gonna do here
yeah that’s true
i don’t know how you say this i think
that you how do you tell when to tell them
i think that
people inside deep down inside the fathers know
if they can become a
champion or not i
think they already know that
when i was fighting and i
started winning in
japan when i
got the ground game i look at my wife i say
i think i can be a real
champion this
thing i truly believe i
can beat all
these guys now
you know and then it
started you know i
think you feel that i
think that that a
fighter will actually knows himself
they will keep on trying and keep on trying but i
think once you
know that it’s not really there that that’s not a good
feeling they
won’t say it but it is it’s like the guys who you mount
you hit they turn on the back and they get choked
mm hmm a lot of
these guys they give the choke
speaking of that what did you think
about the fatal
fight when fatal was fighting
bigfoot i mean he
gave up his back a couple of times he had to it was you
think that’s just too big
it was too big
i truly believe said
too big with
too big too big
too big and combination yeah
and then and then
being what 60
pounds heavier
you know that’s a big difference man
i always said i wanted weight
class 205 to 35
yeah i agree no i agree
yeah i agree
it’s the too big of a leap
yeah those big
giant guys that are cutting weight to get down to
265 that’s a huge percentage they said that he was 290
today i hope you gained 25
this fucking head looks like it’s
290 that guy’s
big yeah it’s big
when he got on top of fatal and
mounted him you see how wide his is
he like that’s a
giant person he got
stopped by a bigfoot
did you see the footprint
still on his back
port fader man
that was a tough thing to watch and it’s tough for even
still to watch all those people
that are behind himself
he’s gonna fight again he should fight no no no
the people booing when they don’t let the
fight continue i say oh
yeah his eyes is closed
he can’t see
anything coming from the left you know at all
yeah anyway
it’s gonna be the same
thing anyway he’s
gonna get taken down and smashed
that was it
is it hard watching a guy like that
you mean you
watch them enter into very hard
pride and then
see him get beat down like very hard yeah that
that does something
to you you know that you get emotional
i do get abortion from that’s a
crazy thing
right but in this game and that the game of
fighting we’re
gonna see it no matter what
i mean i was there for
chuck liddell’s debut
i was there
you know for
hector gonzalez
i think it was the
guy’s name he fought i forget the guy’s name he fought
i was there for that knowing
gonzalez maybe
i was there for that
fight and then
to get to see him
you know all the way to the end to the rich franklin
fight you know it’s like wow
you know seeing guys like at the top at
their most vibrant
when they’re just dominant
you know and
with chuck it’s a mental
thing but i always say with
chuck if he has the
right person who
who can talk to him that he’s too hungry
like if he lance if he
smells the victory he
starts over committing
and all the
knockouts he had is because of that
if he would step back relax
i mean he was doing really good
against french
franklin this guy
still can be the top guy
that’s his only defect
with him it’s not that he lost his
timing and lost that it’s only that he’s too hungry
you know he’s been
knocking on people too easy
you know and
that’s the same you can also see with the
training when he fought couture
you know that when he
trains he puts everybody backwards
and then sunday when couture
came and started pushing him backwards
that was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
now what he
never was there
that fight made him
again way better
after that made
him a better
counter strike
oh man yeah he
learned how to fire him off as he was moving backwards
one of my favorite guys
still is amazing yeah
he also lost the ability to take a
punch i mean if you go back and
watch his first
fights like with you ever
watched the pele
fight with no
oh my gosh yeah that was crazy
wvc right yeah yeah yeah
yeah that was
bare knuckle
bare knuckles
guys with the
net underneath the ropes so you
couldn’t escape
stuck in there
chucks on top of pale
and punched him in the face with bare
knuckles people get
stabbed in the eyes
i’m sure all
the time dudes
would grab the balls
remember i was
gonna say it
but the pedro
he was in his
pants and crushed his dick and balls
he said i had viagra on them he
literally grabbed the guy by the kohonis yeah
what the fuck and it was totally
completely legal yeah
and nobody had ever done it but gary
and valletuto anything else
yeah that is
anything up were they allowed to bite though
i thought you know well
it’s almost
i read the book from
big john because i wrote the
foreword for the book
and man that’s a cool book
what is big
john’s book
it’s wrong but
where do you
think john mccarthy yeah
no no no what is this line
oh let’s get it
on let’s get it on but that’s sort of mills lane’s line
mills lane in boxing had that way before the us oh yeah
yeah well i don’t need
fire are you
ready fire are you
ready let’s get it out come on okay
that was his thing
and they like had made some sort of an
agreement where
john was gonna use it in
mma and mills lane was
gonna use it in boxing
okay but i remember
when you know there was like some words
that people were saying oh you know only john mccarthy
could say let’s get it on because every
referees got to figure out a
thing to say
it’s martin gay
is the one that started it
marvin gaye marvin gaye
yeah well i mean you know let’s get it on
the mills landing
you’ve seen it all boss
you’ve been
there from the beginning you know you’re a real
legend in this
crazy sport
i’m a very happy person let me
tell you that i have a lot of pain when i walk you know
everything hurts but it’s been worth it
and i know that with the stem cells and
everything a book something will pop up
you know and i’ll put it back i’m not
gonna fight anymore you know i’m also
you know there’s also a
thing that i had when in 2006 when i made the comeback
i knew that
like i would roll
and everything
would go really well don’t get me
wrong but there were
things that i say
i would have had that normally
and normally i
would have had that i noticed
that i was getting slower
you know and that my reactions were not
there as they were before
so you know you got to be
you know be very realistic to yourself
what do you think
about a guy like
randy couture who’s
older than you
i mean how old do you know yeah but 45
46 randy’s fucking 40 years old
and he’s about to
fight machida
it’s crazy but
he’s got the o2 trainer
the boss was
an invention the long
training device
what is the o2 trainer
you know what this is a fun
thing man i came up
with this yeah
when i was 15
years old around that time i had very bad asthma
but i also did
track and field
so when i had an asthma attack that
would be like a two week episode
which from the two weeks i
would be like five or six days in bed
because i couldn’t eat
and can breathe
because she can’t eat
she know you can
drink it like this
twenty four
hours day like
oh yeah now really bad
so i can walk
stairs nothing
everything in bed
you don’t have any of that anymore no no sometimes i
do sometimes a little bit yeah
but you take an inhaler and it’s gone
but then after i had an attack and i would do
track and field
i would realize that my
lungs would
work better
and i go why is that and i
start oh wait a
minute there’s an infection in your lung pipe
you know it closes the lung pipe
your lungs have to work really hard to pull that air in
then when the infection is gone you know
they because
they work all the time they’re used to pulling hard
air comes in easy
i go so why don’t i come up with something that
controls the air intake
so i started
thinking about like
it’s the stupidest
thing man you’re
gonna laugh like i will hold my mouth
in a certain position and try to memorize that position
stupid stuff
so you get much air in yeah
like and then make it
every time a little
smaller i go man i
gotta come up with something
so i tell all these
my buddies here in america everybody knew and hold
also that i wanted to make that thing
and then when vandale
came on tv with the snorkel
i think i had six or seven
phone calls
they said you
gotta do that
thing that you’re talking
about because somebody’s
gonna find it out somebody’s
gonna come up
with an idea
you know so i
started looking at a patent lawyer
and what do you know man nobody made it
i got the patent have
everything the what’s it called
the boss root and
go to trainer the o two trainer
that’s why i was
laughing because when i saw this
yeah o two trainer and it’s it controls the air intake
it’s a very
simple thing
so imagine this week you do all your hard workouts like
only four times also because you don’t need to do it
every way because she’s actually turning your muscles
they’re testing it in
texas right now at the university
that guy in 12 days he had
greater long volume
he said man you made something really cool
can i put my
track team on it he’s got his female
track team on it they’re
gonna run test on them now because he thinks also
that because it’s a little small
biodegradable little
compartment that’s flexible also so you can’t get hurt
because you rebreathe
the little tiny bit of carbon monoxide
which i want
to stay away from because i don’t want people to get
dizzy he says no no you don’t get this carbon dioxide
carbon dioxide
i wanted it too
anyway he says he
thinks it’s just enough to spark
more red blood cell
production i
think you kidding
me he said i
don’t know for sure yet he says but i will be the
icing on the cake wow
what is this
thing look like
it’s an you know
she i hope i
still get better is it online can i find it online
let me see you go to o2trainer com
and and people are
watching right now you can’t buy it yet
it’s on there but you can’t buy it yet so don’t hit buy
hmm oh two trainer calm zero two zero two or oh oh oh
check this out
and this is something that’s gonna be available soon
very soon this week
this week yeah what does it look like i can
cuz it’s not it’s not coming it’s not coming up
you’re probably getting
smashed right now
you just sent yeah you
said it online you almost have
four these four thousand people in you stream yeah
yeah okay guys everybody you’re
watching don’t buy
it you cannot buy it okay it’s not in so don’t hit by
come back at the end of the week
so it will be something that you
think that’s gonna
make a big impact on i
think it’s gonna be the
major impact is because
you look at it describe what it looks like okay it is
it is a supportable device it’s a mouthpiece
like when you dive you know
like the snorkel
and it comes to the
front with two little
things it’s like a square
and it comes to the
front here’s the
hole in as a cap
the cap you
can take off
and you can put
screens in there little rubber
screens with all
smaller holes they go from fourteen
millimeter all the way to one millimeter
so this week you
train all your hard work that’s fourteen
millimeter next week you do thirteen
then you do
twelve and you go slowly gradually
you’re going down
and i want you down you know you you you really
you have to pull the air in
and it’s it’s the the
voice my wife
was saying like after
three weeks of
training in restaurant
she said man keep your
voice on you know
because your
voice gets really loud so i go ben it’s for singers
it’s for people who play bow instruments it’s for for
scuba divers
anybody who needs a lung
you know you
should see the commercial weather that i made for it
we shut that
thing in 15 minutes or less
and you’re gonna
laugh your ass
off and you see that
thing you’re
gonna go wow
wow yeah well i’ll
definitely check it out yeah you
gotta check it out
and if you haven’t seen boss rootin show
inside mma it’s on hd net you gotta
check it out follow him on twitter its boss rootin
mma are you
tte and mma
on twitter and
thank you very much for coming in here you’re welcome
i really appreciate
it and yeah
thank you to
the flashlight for
sponsoring the podcast if you go to joerogane
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click the link and
input the code name rogan that’s the butthole version
i don’t recommend you jumping
right in on
it it’s like
you’re 13 millimeter you know you don’t
start off with
one millimeter
no no no you don’t want to get used to it you want to
start off with the butthole
flashlight but
thank you very much and we’ll be back next week
this weekend i got to go to australia for the
ufc anything else you want to plug anything godspeed
party on and a little tiny
screen you know it’s good it’s for exercises you can
literally sit here
and just do it i do it in my car
right now i go
the boss rooting o2
trainer boss you’re a fucking
legend thank
you very much for coming on the show i really
appreciate it man it’s been a
blast all right
we’ll see you do it again
for sure okey dokey
a lot of stories
holla at your boy
man i had to be for so long
and go to do now
hey go away i’ll punch you in the freaking lever
excuse me the men’s room is occupied yeah
and now for your hosts bezrutin and jeremy st i
hey white up man wave
hey good to see you good to see you
alright hey everybody my name is boss rootin
and i’m jack and welcome to the man’s room
yeah where men can hang out
tonight in the man’s room we’re going to get personal
on this show we’re going to be discussing
a lot of aspects of health especially how to endanger
the health of others with
others did you
not me others now
we’ve got relationship advice like
how to avoid bruising the face
we’re going to take some calls
advising women how to deal with a man
but that’s pretty easy right
i mean it’s just the thing that you need to do is
get through the groin
right there and when your body connects
with the reproductive organs of another man
let me tell you buddy
it’s pain and beauty also
we have a special
and we call it special
the cubicle
the copier and stabbing a coworker in the eye
with a little pencil
like like this
look at the bloop look at the bloop look at the bloop
this is going
to be an unbelievable
show and i’m
gonna be discussing