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alright well let’s let’s find out I

believe we do have the flower in place

so let’s head over to a Kevin and hotel

for the King with humans and AI versus

humans and the AI

how does it feel man feels bad man it

feels rough there it’s surprising there

they’re really good at what they do and

I think if you really want to beat them

reliably youyou want to find a way to

take them out of their game and just be

playing your game the problem is once

you get sucked into what they’re doing

which is this five heroes staring at

five heroes and now it’s about clicks

buttons better that is when you’re never

gonna win yeah well one thing I thought

it was really interesting about game one

especially you guys were winning

you had that team fight made where you

ecco signed and you Requiem did you got

like two kills yeah but it’s like before

they were even dead they knew like oh

we’re pushing right after this and as

soon as they were alive they instantly

went mid it was like they didn’t they

just they processed things so much

faster than humans in that way yeah so I

had that debate back there also just now

this is debate I will have I will keep

having even with the AI guys unless they

show me differently and I believe that

there is no way you can make that

calculation at least at the point where

you’re gonna win the game maybe they can

say that yeah we’re gonna we’re gonna

buy back and we’re gonna take this to

you too this does not mean that they

take the tier 3 and if they do not take

the tier 3 they lost to Heroes Bob back

one in my head is not gonna be worth it

in most people’s daughter ahead it’s not

gonna be worth it you know because now

it’s the same thing happens for the tier

3 eventually it’s just gonna get to a

point where we’re gonna want to that

team it’s gonna have 10 or 15 K ahead

and the teamfight is gonna be 2 4 0 3 4

0 or 5 4 2 it’s gonna be harder and

harder for the AI to get that cooldown

trade for an objective trade and even if

they get the rax is it even worth it if

they get wiped and now is 15k behind

then we got to our critical mass and now

they can no longer fight I don’t think I

can make that calculation I think it

makes calculations ahead of time maybe

for the tier 2 and this is how it’s

gonna win this is what we talked about

is they’re buying back because maybe

statistically they lose more when games

go past 30 minutes that’s why they knew

that we have to go now well I think I

think we’re ready for the teams here

yeah let’s take a look

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there’s the rules for the match it’s a

team as two human players and three open

AI five teammates and there’s no special

training this is just the open AI doing

their best

based on the weird things that would be

pixel does I know that the AI is very

beautiful as is of course they can get

to a place where humans may not stand a

chance one day I mean it’s inevitable

for everything if you keep working on it

I do think yeah I do think dota is a

game where humans can hang on for a long

time though it’s a very it’s a very deep

game with the amount of Heroes and the

amount of constant changes that are also

being made Sivir blitz and open AI five

versus capitalist OD pixel and open AI

five co-op match I think you’re supposed

to be up here with us you first well too

late yeah we yeah we have a lot of air

insult open hours dude we’re not gonna

get any bounties she rickover it all in

all the knowledge beautiful clicking

time three bounty runes for us can i

okay a lot less exciting game than that

first game of the series it’s probably

cuz we should not try leaning yeah maybe

we should have a crystal Maiden Viper

lane you think I care if I die boy you

stole my kill well done Cheever what’s

going on just do that come on man

Oh what’s Razer doing here yeah I mean I

was I was definitely not yeah my razor

was like oh you’re coming in with an in

misery well let me leave that’s all that

one’s obvious that’s on me that’s on me

right yo Coco kill kill kill be super

pink honor yep given the I’ll chat data

mode its the humid place we can fight

this

hey I’m already dead get a bone I don’t

think I’m killing Owen unfortunately

well played on us jump cap setting up by

a good AI for success

Oh help me help me hopping up me

oh my god dude where’s my fight bird why

is he farming neutrals very nice Ryan

Hache alright that was a little bit of a

listening for the players so far Johan

you still here still here with me what

do you what do you think so far we have

a queen of pain dying right now I’m

gonna see if Owen gets out oh are you

taking the play-by-play role okay hey

they’re making a calculation right bit

also based like what the enemy is doing

but now they kind of have to readjust

their constant calculation whenever

their ally is doing something that they

didn’t predict for them to do oh my god

Owen is owning he’s in killing well they

just got like two levels from that

that’s pretty huge yeah you know I

support getting Elaine early Oh more

action it’s a lot of shrapnel down here

they should have an easy to say belong

although food stacking stunts here okay

it works out oh that’s a buyback first

one oh they got the Viper

oh you stilted game’s over here’s the

guy you want us to tilt but I do think

that

human nature doesn’t really want that

human nature well it’s going really well

for dining off it I think human nature

we’d also talked about earlier yes sir

pointed it out that we like accumulating

things on one person and like that

person trusts himself and other people

put trust in that person this is maybe

why you naturally put more resources on

a guy or a guy really wants more

resources on him we almost have a dagger

on shaker position yeah oh wait this

pops out of position I hadn’t seen

somebody get two points in blink before

six I’m caught before either so really

trying some new things he’s a user

support he can set the new mother

history something like a dead calf here

well coordinated gank here how many

thousands of hours did they practice

placing Ward’s is to figure this one

unless the real question yeah yes that’s

why I also think you could learn from a

I give 0 stop in the public was like

just that AI warding spots what if what

could figure out oh boy but it doesn’t

seem like they do anything next local

you know I remember the days where you

couldn’t see spawn boxes by holding alt

easily but yeah of course it was it’s

like scary if they’re Vicki is ready and

you’re trying to blink call or he’ll

gonna let their bot have it nope not

worth it

he’ll definitely kill steal them they

can’t get mad at him nope can’t get

reported by box so we think anyway

that’s the next training we’ve been

called in for chat Lou training

acid and ood pixel also joining the

group but

oh it’s going I thought he was gonna go

the other way I don’t know you we have

three humans dead right now oh and some

open AI tactics right there looks a

little familiar it’s like oh we lost a

teamfight we just hit the jungle there’s

a little out of position but okay good

luck on this one

this is they should leave him I think

they have to leave him are they actually

thinking about this they’re gonna fight

line disabled sounds for bit sniper BKB

buddy’s in melee range it’s okay though

Sven getting damaged can get picked off

but snipers up old echo slam they do get

the trade out though sniper does not

escape and that’s a pretty big team

fight for the dire team what do you

think changer I mean they got the CM

killed and they instantly one made us at

all no I’ve seen this movie before

oh he had the opportunity I just got a

flash back to me and top he was trying

to kill this crystal Maiden oh yeah that

was a good moment won’t cry yes everyone

enjoyed doing it Oh

aftershock not working because of the

nether toxins on the ground that’s gonna

hurt cap quite a bit here OD is looking

pretty dead there yeah just two humans

trying to play against bots nothing new

here I’m gonna work out very well

Fischer they all admit I think they’re

trying to tell the bots what to do I

think yeah because it looks like the

game might be complete stalemate right

as they need their BOTS to be playing

with them but they are all hitting

neutrals if if I remember quickly I

think they had some control over where

the bots go like they could instruct

them

all right so they but they only allow

them to tell them what to do during the

laning stage that’s what they’re ready

an ally chat apparently yeah so they’re

that they change their mind or they’re

not fully programmed what is this going

to be

I guess that’s still gonna have to be

there they’re working right

what he picks looking very dead gay OD

pixel read the message and he followed

it AG son Shiro I love these Ultimates

for example right they’re worthless I

mean you’re saving maybe one second Oh

save so I can’t that part is true he

does a flak cannon for getting what he

deserves

get a lot of pull no can’t let him pull

kept this secure all right now they

decided was it’s go time I guess I mean

the Viper kill is what it took waiting

for a mistake here we go fight for it’s

meant for sickness though oh he’s on top

sniper this is pretty big hurricane PI

Carter used BKB sound oh he gets him and

now oh and kind of cleaning things up

but spend and DP on the backline they

can still defend this easily the bots

are running the missiles coming though

maybe duels in two seconds but as soon

as the glimmer goes away he’ll use him

right yep but he does still die it’s

good punish this could be a career feel

pretty easily oh the humans that was

definitely the humans message you know I

actually don’t think so I actually think

it was the the boss I got to work on the

Kruger my goes oh that’s basically your

oh your entire game look like it’s like

oh you’re about to do something amazing

but then you stopped cap had to die for

Owen since I would say the AI is

dictating a big part of what’s happening

in this game you have more I do think we

have a little more control on

entire steam also because we’re playing

this or that we have this often shaker

in this Queen where then the to course

is the razor razor sniper just very

powerful for them and radio and they

just don’t seem to be doing as much with

with their course I mean will has been

trying but every time it’s like not on

the same page as the bots the bots don’t

seem to want to do it you can’t really

play daughter alone it’s a five-man game

killed Buster decided to save the blood

thorn for the potential fight thinking

ahead

I was pretty sick book on both thrown

from low ground and seals easy kill

alright now we’ll see what they do with

us say they’ve got a hero advantage OD

they’re jungling okay mmm-hmm

getting out of him might not be a

problem but staying on top of it might

be when he’s sitting here trying if he

does die this be pretty bad oh my god

he’s shredding the vapor use cheese that

was fast backpack that was a beautiful

fissure by cap

that’s the definitely one thing they’re

bad at dealing with of those fissure

balls yes I agree I you guys have used

that quite well okay kiddo

Tyrell lives another taking the racks

three heroes remaining sniper it does

not have BKB so if they got on top of

him you will die but he still has to

somehow get the hits

well they good just they’re gonna get

their acts yeah they’re just gonna hit

buildings what he picks that will be up

in a second but I mean all he has is

just an opening he’s just at damage here

super taking the damage BKB okay

is really safe Wow okay they’re just

doing it well it’s a good way to defend

them they want offensive well that was a

really good use of cheese and eggs that

bought them the whole side top and 2/3

and range fraction ed so you’re saying

they would play really good spirit

breaker yeah yeah exactly like that that

that is terrifying right if you have a

spear breaker player who has them is

monitored on the whole map who’s dead

it’s a terrible oh boy that’s a pretty

good kill considering oh this is a new

award maybe here’s the backstab they did

not like how the fight start or so they

were doing a full retreat that they

weren’t ready I think the Viper is

moving around for the ward down and he

did it but it was after the fighter

Daughtery started so um potentially he

was something happening thank you oh you

pixel super sounds use both options to

get out now he’s in trouble

but they’ve got a lead their team zoning

they got this it’s over this is game

actually it has to be over that’s a lot

in Hills well Scott what is it forever

he’s got the blink away if you can just

buy tile you have to do a lot all you

have to do is get the humans and the

boss to chase you and you’ll buy time I

just feel like to spend is way too big

of a deal the showers gonna spawn and

he’s gonna die trying to defend if

they’re gonna go thrown I hope I mean

for for the Queen and shaker shake I

decided here for towered moment a cap is

like you guys are free hit a Miss with

me all right there go and the bots are

helping

he’s not BKB for fight - for a while a

talent that’s really nice hey Salim to

be having right now there’s gonna be an

Oscar a sound some may be going it’s a

sniper hurts man it’s gotta be so

careful he doesn’t have I back here both

eyes pieces over adults great for staff

that was fight for saving his life

actually

Piper forced him out of the way oh my

god got a dead thing he kills me he

kills what are you what did you just

backpack he just changed something in

his backpack mid didn’t he oh okay now I

was wrong I think I thought he did all

right

heels for the drama see they defended it

instant assessment put it on cooldown

Ultimates a little early here oh boy

about stone

I think he’s expecting cap that goes on

there at the blaming account haha shits

that that that Viper cures

my first strike DPS here that’s that’s a

mega creep

yeah I thought Dyer for sure had this

game but now is gonna be reused

don’t worry count how are you watching

he’s still alive though oh never we’ll

clean it up here the lion pot running

for his life he’s gonna live

sniper dealing damage in the meantime

will it’s gonna get cleaned up and now

they taken one

there’s buybacks available all that buy

back from Jack up that this is how

they’re gonna lose this is how they’re

gonna lose yeah look at the driver he’s

rolling down it no all right so they’re

not allowed to die in the Viper or gyro

at least been cut off in a bad position

no trade yeah this guy might be that

this is a really big problem now that

now they might lose the throne if but

they’re not looking at the mid wave the

mid wave is the key to getting the

throne I mean it’s in the river they’re

still so if they manage to protect this

wave and get it to the throne this is

when they can keep killing people and

potentially win the game but they’re

spending all this time running around to

kill by prints off one hero seconds yeah

yeah one hero could have caught the wave

mid and we would have already been

looking at the tiers tier foresman if if

they want it but then it would have been

done through youtube but my look all the

bots are clean they’re actually just

splitting them up

big you also throw Sven in the air like

the dairy team of doing this and in the

meantime what’s line doing he’s this guy

can’t defend against mega creeps on

himself

he’s in trouble now sniper getting Auto

attacked as well there’s the call down

damage and now he is looking dead by

back instantly from sniper five heroes

alive now still a couple dead on the

radiant team but they get some pick offs

it’ll help out cap disable this okay he

gets up it’s hard time there’s blood on

him now it looks really hard for it for

dying Cheever in a little trouble gear

jebaited man the book that was so ready

here line in choke were running away

we’ll use and results as well but he’s

taking a lot of damage and sniper he’s

got to be careful it’s got a gap close

get in the air something get some health

oh look for that finger of death being

used there to finish them off and now

they’re running back to the fountain to

heal but they do have a disadvantage

three heroes versus five and what does

the reading do they say let’s go check

Roshan nope yeah no they’re thinking

about death prophet painted that was

we’ll be careful here

it’s very close look at us spend he’s

like he’s standing still because he

cannot comprehend what does happen

smashing is a digital keyboard big echo

on two years but uh the bots are nowhere

to be found they weren’t ready telling

no campus that’s not the initiation

sniper what are you doing then he’s got

to kill these Tori hood the crease oh

that’s the raw this numbers just leave

man he’s not helping out report that guy

don’t be a bubble downer rays were gonna

try to tank things up he’s got BKB here

to buy some time but everybody just

running away

it’s not over yet Bodhi looking like he

can clean up here with help from sniper

I will you know at least he kept trying

you know like he’s one of those negative

players that’s kind of like playing on

the sea surfer they’re really negative

but they’ll never stop trying yeah this

is the heart of money for 56 min again

like the resources have been cleaned up

by efficiently I think by both teams

it’s simply jungling like that is one

thing the bots are good at for sure was

a sniper second set of boots working out

oh he’s got a lot of money know what’s

happening there’s a whole money that he

should be spending given item issues of

Ascona hyperstone boost the speed but

don’t eat the moon shard do something

you know note it is I think I don’t

think they’ve ever been in this this is

like the the moment where they’ve never

been in this position before they’re

they’re quick or like the item

suggestions ran out you know how you

build your list and the list has been

run dry now is that the end of little

bit list waves pushed

they’re looking for an opportunity here

Piper he’s not a fear stack afraid what

is he gonna refresh our brother BKB I

guess all right there’s a refresher or

being used instantly double ultimate

he’s got his BKB ready Oh we’ll make it

a big mistake he jumps in but innocent

BKB gets killed at the start of the

fight this could be the opening of the

dirty knees but snipers dead flying is

dead Earthshaker is dead can he defend

with just three heroes racers trying to

buy some time here but everybody thought

not

and I’d likely teleport here and that

one just might be the end of it big echo

slam catching some damage on for years

but nice that robot that should

definitely be a trophy that go slam yeah

okay well that’s five years dead I think

I think it’s finally over

unless nope maybe uh maybe that’s

drunken defense oh thank you Piper Oh

like how he finishes with this a

specific you throw on his dying tell you

talk crap is a copepod so that’s gonna

be victory for the radian team that was

blitz and sheever taking the win

the death prophet there crystal made in

and you know maybe some of there maybe

some of their open AI hoping a little

too well I would definitely not have

been happy with my sniper in that game

I’ll tell you that in here nope I would

have put it all on my core is that the

moment you tell him to buy a divine

rapier he’s got 7,000 gold your mega

creeped when you ask him for one on one

on one much yeah I think he deserves it

after that one have done that’s a fun

game that was the the coop match for the

day what do we say she be easy unless

someone who played the words you oh you

mean you and Shiro he’s asking who do

you think played the worst uh I think uh

same flame somebody on broadcast for

everybody it’s the job say I was very

impressed with the Queen Owen and then

you you went and just shat all over it

like yous you see the radiance by like

how much did we do with that

that didn’t really we had it before

tonight maybe it maybe that’s why the

Magus came this that’s we can talk to

you there hello

yeah oh that’s one way to push creep

waves for sure just by radiance on queen

of pain interesting game I definitely

think that something happens with you

know the way they calculate

but a lot happens when they have human

teammates that just mess up there it

just looked like a normal pub game

genuinely actually they’ve got typical

European pop game but compared to how

much they beat you guys especially Game

two like it was extremely convincing we

didn’t see the same thing with human

players so there’s there’s definitely

some something to be said about like how

impressive the teamwork is and normally

we don’t even get to see really good

teamwork unless we see teams of five

players that practice consistently it’s

a definitely a very different level so I

was pretty fun good day of matches so

far so there’s there’s something to AI

that I think we could I mean like we

talked about it already there’s a lot we

can learn already but I’m just curious

if you were to give a other certain

tools just to experiment to see like

like the idea of item bills you know you

have spent and if you did this just with

the 17 heroes that they have where they

open up all the items for all the heroes

would we be seeing something different

that’s why I’m wondering I don’t know if

it said I actually don’t know how it

works so these are the item set board

just generalize for the heroes or these

are the items that the heroes do truly

want because then is what I’m already

talking about ionization is like a huge

part of the game right like you

obviously when a patch comes do you

think some heroes not good but it would

just take some guy to invent some crazy

item bill and it changes the whole game

it’s like oh crap that heroes actually a

55% when we prayed here or not a 50 or

something yeah yeah anyways we have some

replays to watch from the match some of

those wonderful highlights hopefully a

couple human players dying here have you

worked this is the first thought that we

caught kept getting wrapped around bye

bye Sivir big early game fight will was

feeling confident with his team like he

was gonna be able to get two kills but

he couldn’t instant solves from the from

the lion he didn’t solve this night /

auto trick yeah his early fights 18

minutes later here another engagement in

the jungles were the the radiant team

this is very common right to group up

and try to take the enemy safe Lane

tower like after the laning stage is

over right yeah I mean the tier ones out

of the tier ones that tower does seem

like a very

natural one to wrap around on and to go

for that that wasn’t the trophy there’s

gonna be another trophy echo slam coming

if we get to see it I don’t think we

could see it line running first life

fairly able to live we probably have so

many clips this is mega creeps for so

long and they just can’t quite take it

but this is maybe one of the good parts

bkb’s were so huge still in these

matches that’s for sure yeah their usage

is really good I mean it is really good

and there’s even two done they have

given it a reaction time of 0.2 0.2 0.3

that’s like the typical human reaction

time to something that happened they

could they could put it as 0 that was

the yeah the end of the game 59 minute

game there aka advantage on huge

advantage despite having mega creeps but

that’s gonna be it for us the casters no

tail thanks a lot for coming on we

really appreciate it thanks for the

insights on open AI and you’ll get a

chance to play them in the future or as

I hope soon take some for exactly that

throwback to the desk

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