Dr.Berg and Frank Tufano on the Carnivore Diet - Dr.Berg On All Meat Diet ｜ DrEricBergDC

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hey guys so we have a special guest

today Frank - Fano is here and I’m

really happy to interview him he he’s

done a lot of personal and also work

with the carnivore diet as well as

coaching other people so I wanted just

to talk to someone who’s done it for a

while and kind of go through some

questions and I think a first thing I

want to say is like it’s amazing that

you interviewed that vegan guy I don’t

know how the heck that you got through

that because I was like just printing

the the guy is literally insane yeah you

know I’m always in the ballpark of you

know there’s no such thing as bad

publicity

right and I went into that podcast

hoping and this was with vegan gains for

those of you who don’t know but I went

into that hoping hey maybe I can get

some information across maybe I can

educate some people maybe I can help

some people out by going on this but it

ended up just being like he wanted to be

right you know how debates end up being

I’m surprised I had the patience to get

through it to be honest probably had to

go for a long walk after that because

the guy is just literally he’s

everything that you said he just flipped

it and he he sent his whole intention is

to invalidate make nothing of destroy

and that’s what is his mission is he’s

like he’s not trying to like educate

people on how to eat you know healthily

at all no that’s that that was my

problem if I brought something up he

would say it’s a lie and if he brought

something up that he was actually lying

about I wouldn’t I would really give

credit to what he was telling me because

I was assuming the studies he was

linking he was interpreting them

correctly unfortunately when I looked at

them after a one example was he said

okay iron causes whatever was bowel

cancer and or it was iron caused

something it was something to do with

cholesterol and iron levels being linked

to cancer but what they actually did was

they took cholesterol out of the body

they spun it in a centrifuge with iron

sulfite and they saw that the

cholesterol oxidized so it was just the

methodology of the study was completely

incorrect the dosage of the iron sulfide

with the cholesterol was completely

incorrect just really misinterpreting

and lying about things and I mean that’s

just what the way the world is man

whatever people see at face value

whatever they however they think is

right at the time being that’s what a

lot of people are gonna understand but

yeah hey lesson learned what you can do

yeah I know I every time they do a video

on me an anti dr. Berg video everything

my my views go up my subscribers go up

and so they actually just flow attention

and I’m like they don’t realize that

they’re promoting my channel and I I

don’t I don’t ever watch them but it’s

just ridiculous the nice thing is

regardless of what anyone next like

regardless of what anyone says

negatively about you as long as your

demeanor is nice and the way you convey

yourself is correct who cares yeah at

the end of the day you’re always gonna

that’s the way I looked at it you know

if people come to my channel and see my

videos regardless of how did the bay

wane regardless of how he framed it

people are gonna see me and their

opinions gonna change yeah they’re gonna

observe the sanity there and like

they’re gonna ignore the other guy not

to dwell too much on this part

I’ve had people you know send me things

like he like filmed his grandfather

having a heart attack he you know made a

video about furious Pete getting cancer

joking about it you know he’s obviously

he has some very I mean there’s some

psychopathic stuff he talked about like

hurting people animals and and there’s

the funny thing that I can’t get over is

uh he was eating grapes out of his

girlfriend’s feet in one of the videos

of yet on his channel

it was completely ridiculous I was like

oh my god this guy a hundred percent no

I think he needs some more DHA and I

think he has blood sugar problems I mean

some b12 - oh yeah definitely just yeah

good case study on that so I wanted to

just dive right into a couple things you

know I always kind of like to start out

with just the basic definition of the

word food which comes from the

derivation nutrients which is we eat to

get fuel and nutrients and so pretty

much all of the things that I promote

and push out there’s um if you can find

a diet that can provide your nutrients

and you can provide the right fuel I

think you’re gonna be healthy and so one

of the advantages that I have is that

I’ve worked with a lot of people over 29

years in practice like just you know

until you work with

one-on-one with all these different

types of cases you you know you may or

may not get it right but we’ve gotten

great success with this with a healthy

version of the keto plan so that’s what

I’m recommending however I think that

you know you you brought up some good

points in your videos and I want to just

talk to them but I I personally find

that when you go carnival you drop your

insulin down I mean you’re going zero

zero carb and you’re really dropping

inflammatory conditions across the board

so you’re gonna get amazing results with

a lot of conditions especially

autoimmune and also gut issues and

digestive issues and probably allergies

and all sorts of things so I’m really in

favor of it there’s a couple things that

I I want to bring up regarding the

vegetables in a little bit but I want to

first find out from your viewpoint

what’s how do you handle the situation

of consuming too much protein I mean is

that an issue because like what like for

example Shaun Baker recommend I mean

like when one video he’s get like what 3

or 4 pounds of meat you know so I think

first I have to say that you know about

6 years ago when I started this diet I

actually came across the carnivore diet

and it was called the zero carb diet at

the time and when I read information on

the zero carb diet I said well this

isn’t when I follow because I advocate

towards nutrient density towards

maintaining a ketogenic metabolism I

advocate for keeping the caloric density

high while maintaining as low of a food

volume as possible obviously eating 4 to

5 pounds of ribeye a day does not do

that so when I saw this zero carb diet

six years ago I dismissed it and I just

came up with my own idea of like paleo

keto and after doing that diet for about

three and a half four years that’s when

I started making YouTube videos but when

the carnivore diet became really popular

I said okay I have to kind of market

myself towards these people because I

didn’t really have that great of a

viewer base and although I don’t

consider my diet to technically be

carnivore because I have other

requirements their idea is just eat meat

all day drink water that’s

mine is based around the nutrients

around the science around these things

so although my diet loosely fits under

what those people do there’s a lot of

other things that separates it and to

touch on the four pound of protein a day

that’s Ron Baker’s doing you know I did

a video last week where I compared the

nutrient density of like ten common

foods you know we looked at meat we

looked at liver we looked at Easter’s we

looked at salmon roe we compared the

nutrient content of these foods and

these foods like liver and oysters made

it looked like oh what’s the point of

even eating muscle meat so someone like

Shaun Baker who’s eating four pounds of

her by a day I mean is he getting

calories is he getting fat I have a

couple problems with that I mean I did

try that you know I’m a very objective

person a very open mind that I was like

okay maybe this guy does have something

I’m missing so I go to the store I buy

I’ve always been eating grass fed

high-quality pasture race stuff I spent

seven dollars a dozen on eggs at the

Union Square Green Market you know crazy

stuff 14 dollars a pound for raw butter

and I said all right let me go get these

grain fed steaks from the supermarket I

was so thirsty

I was so hungry I could not satiate my

appetite this 4 or 5 pound of meat thing

that a lot of people are doing on this

diet I don’t think it works for a lot of

people and I don’t think it’s successful

for a variety of reasons not only does

protein and just muscle meat in general

lack a lot of the satiation aspects of

organ meats and nutrient-dense foods it

it doesn’t necessarily always have good

macronutrient ratios and my one pet

peeve is he literally only eats ribeye

and if you look at the butcher yield of

an animal ribeye is like 3 percent of

the animal and how could you justify

consuming just ribeye steaks when in the

past if we were to consume an animal the

only fatty parts of the animal would

have been the kidney fat the suet the

trim fat the brisket the brain you know

there are very very specific parts of

the animal that we would have had to

have even to get the fat and ribeye is

like an unnatural source of that so the

original question was the concern about

high protein yeah like how do you is it

just a high protein diet or is it can

you

make it a moderate protein diet so the a

lot of the veteran zero car people there

are there’s a family I believe that’s

been on this diet for like 20 years and

all they eat a steak there’s another guy

who only eats is pretty much a steak and

ground beef on this diet and the wisdom

of these zero carb veterans has

unfortunately created this almost

cult-like mentality that you’re just

supposed to eat meat and drink water and

when they don’t go into specifics like I

mean obviously chicken and pork have a

drastically different omega-3 ratio of

beef but if you do increase the nutrient

density of the diet and you do choose

the right foods the macronutrient ratios

should fall in line with you know 70 80

percent fats a 20 percent protein I mean

in some cases of people with a very high

lean body mass we might see some

variance there we might see 60 65 % fat

the rest protein but you know consuming

4 to 5 pounds of per by a day and

consuming incredibly high amounts of

protein is not how the diet should be

especially considered the main thing to

consider here is these people are

cooking their meat fairly thoroughly and

when you heat meat to well done like

ground beef you’re degrading about 50

percent of the B vitamins you the fat

soluble vitamins you don’t lose too many

unfortunately there’s not a lot of fat

soluble vitamins and muscle meat so

that’s not really a concern but one big

reason a lot of these people are eating

4 or 5 pounds of steak is partially

because they’re not getting as many B

vitamins as they should because of the

cooking time and I mean this can be

alleviated by a food like liver because

liver might literally have ten times the

amount of vitamin b12 that muscle meat

has and even if you cook the liver

you’re still retaining a large amount of

the vitamins but III think the main

principle of the diet should be eat fat

to satiation eat organ meats eat

nutrient-dense foods muscle meat should

be on the back burner so to speak it

should be the last thing you consume and

and most meals you have if you do

consume high quality fats if you do

consume organ meats and nutrient-dense

foods most of the time you won’t even be

hungry for protein unfortunately you

know those elements of protein not being

too nutri

and not being too satiating a lot of

people fall into the trap of consuming

you know four to five pounds of meat a

day on this diet and they’re saying I’m

hungry I can’t say che my appetite some

people are even gaining weight and then

they go to the forums they ask for help

and advice they get is all your body

needs nutrition just eat more meat but

that doesn’t make any sense because

muscle meat doesn’t have nutrition in it

right so I think I’ve given you I mean a

little bit of information to work with

there so yeah I agree and I think that

if you’re gonna do this diet I think

you’re doing it right because not only

you’re doing the organ meats and you’re

doing fish eggs and things like that

but you’re you’re consuming a lot of

this almost raw or not overly cooked

yeah and that’s the other point is like

when you cook you know even when you

you’re gonna you’re gonna vitamin C

definitely is effective pasteurization

and high heat so yeah we didn’t even

touch my vitamin C there yeah so you’re

busy knock it right out so can you give

us an example of what what you’ll eat in

a given day yeah before I go into that I

did want to mention a lot of the stuff I

talk about is based on kind of like what

indigenous groups used to eat and it’s

important to keep in mind that these

indigenous groups that did consume meat

every single one of them consume plant

food even the Eskimos and the Inuit did

consume small amounts of plant foods and

the majority of these hunter-gatherer

groups did consume I would I think the

estimation is about 65 to 70 percent of

their calories from animal foods but

that’s a caloric percentage if we look

at food volume you know plant foods tend

to be much higher volume for their

caloric density so these plant foods

were present in these indigenous diets

but the reason I’m bringing this up is

because these indigenous diets consumed

both raw and cooked animal foods they

consumed certain foods raw certain foods

cooked and even on one animal if they

slaughtered a reindeer they preferred

the upper leg marrow cooked and the

lower leg marrow raw they preferred the

head cooked they preferred the liver

Roth there were very very specific

preferences in these indigenous groups

and we can assume those tie-in generally

to the nutrient density of the food so

what whether you try to argue for a raw

diet whether you try to argue for a

cooked diet whether you try to argue for

a diet for your plants when you actually

look at what humans used to eat and and

even looking at blue zones now blue

zones pretty much eat hunter-gatherer

diets it’s just blue zones have less

animal foods that hunter-gatherers used

to have that brings up a good point

because um I mean can you imagine a raw

Brussels sprouts I mean the taste I mean

I was talking to my buddy the other day

and we each had different theories about

why we started cooking food my theory

was along the lines of a lot of the

parts of the animal are very difficult

to consume in a raw state the tougher

meat his theory was when a lot of the

megafauna died off and we started

gathering plants that we had to cook

plant foods to eat them so that we just

threw the meat in with the plant food so

there’s a bunch of theories on why we

started cooking our food but a large

majority of plant foods are you know

ideally if you take them out of nature

and you can’t consume them in their raw

state they probably shouldn’t be

consumed in a large amount in their raw

state but to tie back to foods I eat in

a day usually I generally have nutrient

goals that I try to meet so in

particular DHA and omega-3 ratio is the

most important thing for me in my diet

so I make sure that all the meat is

sourced from a high-quality and that I

include a high source of DHA whether

it’s brain tissue bone marrow fatty fish

salmon roe fish eggs are great most

people are probably more familiar with

like caviar and Kura tobiko

more common names for it the second goal

I usually strive for is a high vitamin A

intake retinoic acid and the only real

source of retinoic acid in an animal is

deliver you could look at every other

tissue on the animal nothing comes close

to the retinoic acid content of liver

it’s like twenty-four hundred percent

it’s like something crazy it’s like

almost 3,000 percent of the daily value

but if the next best food are like eggs

at 30 percent it’s not even close but

what’s important to keep in mind is with

that high retinoic acid intake your body

stores fat soluble vitamins for the

winter

so your body doesn’t just want a bunch

of vitamin A you need to consume other

fat soluble vitamins if you’re consuming

large amounts of vitamin A so I need to

make sure to match that vitamin A with

the k2 with the vitamin d3 because if

you’re consuming liver in nature

realistically speaking you’re gonna be

out in the Sun there’s other parts of

the animal you’re going to consume and I

mean we do see preference for organs and

animals I mean I don’t know if you heard

about there’s a story where like killer

whales were just eating the shark’s

liver and leaving the rest you know when

bears hunt and they’re already fattened

up for the winter and there’s plenty of

salmon around they’ll literally kill the

salmon they’ll eat the ROE and they’ll

leave the rest so there is preference

for these organs by animals in nature

but if we actually look at realistic

ratios of you know how much does a liver

way how much does an animal way you know

we can kind of gauge okay for livers to

pounds the meat yield is 40 pounds maybe

two pounds of liver per 40 pounds of

meat makes the most sense so once I

achieve my omega-3 intake and my vitamin

A intake I generally look for vitamin k2

as it’s very important for calcium

metabolism and it just it’s bunched in

with the fat side of Ottomans in you

know metabolizing t3 helping retinoic

acid you need to consume it in balance

and although liver does have some

vitamin k2 the main source is

high-quality animal fats and I think

this is the main thing people overlook

is in order for an animal food to be

nutrient dense it has to be in an

environment where it’s consuming

nutrient-dense food so when a cow eats

grass you know grass has a vitamin k1

the cow converted to vitamin k2 the

grass has carotenoids that the cow

converts to retinoic acid that the grass

also has just nutrients that the cow can

convert through the bacteria in its

stomach into the linoleic acids that the

body and the humans can then convert to

EPA and DHA if the cow is not eating

grass then where is it getting its

nutrition from if the corn and the soy

feed that the cat was consuming does not

have these nutrients in it it’s not

going to be present in the food

that’s why if we look at like milk from

the supermarket and then compare it to

like a raw raw cow cheese from France

you know oh well why does that raw cow

cheese have literally every vitamin and

mineral you know why are there

indigenous groups that literally only

ate you know the Swiss only ate cheese

and rye bread but now it’s saying that

milk doesn’t have nutrients a lot of

this ties in with the food quality and I

think one of the interesting theories

behind that is you know no one really

thinks fish is unhealthy but people will

try to argue that meats unhealthy

sometimes and the thing with fish is a

lot of fish that people consume you know

more of a tends to be wild caught in

higher quality than the meat so I think

a lot of that ties in there and by

achieving a high omega-3 intake by

achieving a high vitamin A intake and a

high vitamin k2 intake I inherently get

all of my other vitamins because if I’m

consuming liver liver has vitamin C

liver has pretty much every vitamin and

mineral you need in large amounts if I’m

consuming omega-3s and vitamin k2 the

foods that are high in k2 are also very

high in vitamin E so I mean

unfortunately I would argue that 90 very

high percentage of people on the

carnivore diet are not getting these

nutrients because you need to eat

incredibly specific foods to obtain them

and you know although I’m making it

sound a little difficult that can be

just eating some liver with some fish

eggs with some fish but a lot of the

time these are foods that people

generally don’t want to or don’t enjoy

eating right yeah so so what what do you

do with like people you consult that

just you know I can’t I can’t find high

quality like liver for example they’re

gonna go to the store they like and they

just can’t afford it what do they do

hypothetically speaking you want a

worst-case scenario I’m really broke

yeah I have no I can’t afford this food

yeah like for like for example like one

of the companies that I recommend is the

us wellness I don’t get any kickbacks

but the point is that I do know that

their farms are

really good and they grass finish

everything and they take care of the

soil so I know that they you also have

organ meats that are kind of mesh into

the liverwurst and they have heart and I

like the quality but it’s hard to find

that high quality even at the healthy

store where you gonna find it so you now

you’re you’re gonna have to find a farm

or you’re gonna actually have to order

online somewhere so how do you overcome

that barrier but but either way that

tends to be prohibitively expensive for

a lot of people right unfortunately so

so food sourcing is a big thing I mean

I’m in New York City I’ve I used to work

as a bartender in New York City

restaurants and I built some

relationships with food purveyors so I

have unusual access like I’ll go to the

wholesale fish market that sells fish to

all the restaurants in New York City and

the guy will sell me 20 pounds of

flounder roe for 20 bucks you know like

I’ll go to I’ll get a case of farro

Island salmon for $6 a pound I’ll go to

master purveyors and I’ll buy rolls of

grass-fed ribeye for four very I don’t

want to say the prices people are gonna

get mad at me but but I will get

incredibly good prices on me because I

have taken the time to find high-quality

sources but even outside of those

sources I go to local farms on eat wild

calm

there’s also maybe I think real food

calm and you can even look on your local

Craigslist to find these farmers and

even these local farms on eat wild I

mean you think hey maybe they’re gonna

try to gauge people because they’re in a

city area but the food tends to be very

affordable I’ve seen organ meats from

four to seven dollars a pound

beef fat trim fat tends to be very very

cheap if you want to get some of your

calories from that but the sourcing

thing I can’t it really is an

understatement this food sourcing is the

most difficult thing to do on this diet

Bar None the amount of time I invest in

food sourcing just to give you an idea

the other day I went to the Asian fish

market to buy a couple mackerel I went

to the Union Square green market to buy

some eggs I went to this other place the

farm to buy some raw high-quality cheats

I had my meat purveyor deliver some

great

ribeye I go to a halal market no it’s

it’s crazy I go to a halal market in in

the Bronx and I get my kidneys fresh

lamb kidneys all the lamb organs and

then sometimes I even go down to the

live kill markets and get some freshly

killed duck so there is a lot of time

that I personally invested in the food

quality you know I’m calling up

fisheries in the summer to see what the

access to salmon roe is so that’s a

barrier yeah it’s making it back to

practical I can go to my local

supermarket hush some supermarkets do

have very affordable grass-fed beef my

supermarket sells they were selling New

York strip steaks from Australia for

$5.99 a pound but the liver and the

organs and that stuff that’s where it

gets difficult right anybody can you get

oyster ’s and shellfish and clams pretty

easily

yes but that comes into a price issue

not everyone can afford paying 6 to 7

dollars a dozen for eggs that are soy

free and pasture raised

not everyone can find a high-quality

grass-fed fat source and I did a video

on budgeting the zero carnivore diet and

hypothetically the cheapest thing you

could do is I mean you could get really

cheap ground beef for like a dollar

fifty two dollars a pound and it

probably has e.coli in it but or and

then you can get eggs

you know how cheap they sell the

conventionally raised eggs in the

supermarket like a dollar it doesn’t so

hypothetically speaking you could follow

this diet for two to three dollars a day

now the problem with that is you’re

pretty much just getting calories and

macronutrients because the

conventionally raised stuff is not

really nutrient-dense I mean it will

have some nutrients in it you know the

eggs will have some DHA the eggs will

have some vitamin A eggs will have some

vitamins not nearly as high as pasture

rates and when we’re saying

conventionally raised stuff has lower

nutrients than grass-fed stuff we’re

literally talking in some cases five to

ten times the amount of vitamins and

certain fatty acids so it does make a

significant difference so if you were

following a diet of conventional eggs

and grass-fed of ground beef and you can

only afford to do that the real solution

would be certain supplements such as

fish oil

liver oil vitamin k2 supplements by

doing that can you try to replicate what

the nutrient density in the diet should

be I mean it’s better than nothing yeah

right it’s safe to say and I mean

vitamin d3 is an understatement

I think almost everyone needs to be

supplementing vitamin d3 but the problem

with vitamin d3 is and this doesn’t tie

in as much to the diet but the reason

it’s so important for zero carb

carnivore is because if you do increase

your vitamin intake you need to get

adequate d3 as well your body wants to

store d3 for the winter too but when you

take an oral supplement of d3 the

metabolism is drastically different than

the Sun and the main concern is when you

consume excess amounts of vitamin d3 I D

think it

no no d3 just vitamin d3 right

what about k2 well when you when you

take like massive doses of vitamin d3

potentially you can get hypercalcemia an

issue because you because you also need

because Kate Kate Kate uu works with d3

and they help balance the blood levels

of calcium so these people are doing

massive amounts over 100,000 I used and

they’re not too crazy they’re setting

themselves up for calcification and

definitely definitely an importance in

just over all vitamin balance you know

if it’s impractical if it’s a crazy high

dose but to my understanding excess

vitamin d3 from supplementation will

cause those problems but excess vitamin

d3 from the Sun it gets metabolized way

differently right it’s beneficial your

body is not going to to turn the excess

vitamin d3 from the Sun into anything

negative or harmful whereas it doesn’t

really know what to do with the

supplemental version different metabolic

pathways that’s just something very

important to mention on the carnivore

diet if you are diving into these

supplements it’s unfortunate you know

the calcium RDA is way too high and the

d3 and the k2 rdas are way too low and

and no one understands and people tend

to try to do extremes

I’ve heard people I’ve heard me

taken hundred thousand IU of vitamin d3

and I’m like dude what are you trying to

kill yourself like look take a look at

as people age they get stiff they get

calcium deposits their body starts to

calcify they get the arteries become

calcified they get calcification on

their eyes so like and then they’re

taking 500 milligrams of calcium

carbonate I’m like now so it’s funny

because calcium carbonate the

bioavailability is like miniscule it’s

like yeah I think it’s like 5% yeah it’s

like eating literally chewing on the

cement and that wall out there yeah it’s

crazy so and then I want to bring up the

point just and vegetables in general I

personally do better when I eat

vegetables I don’t have any problems and

and one of the reasons why I recommend

higher quantities is specifically

potassium just because the I know our

das are not I think it’s it’s a bunch of

crap it’s arbitrary but it’s kind of a

reference that there’s some truth to

them yeah but as far as potassium goes

higher amounts of potassium are needed

your body can get rid of excess amount

of potassium definitely way more than

excessive amounts of iron so the kidney

can do with it but I find I do much

better when I do higher amounts of

potassium things but if you have a

digestive problem I think or SIBO

whatever you’re gonna like blow yourself

out because you’re gonna get all sorts

of issues but when I actually go lower

on the vegetables I just don’t feel

quite right my own body so so I have

quite a few people doing this with great

success so I’m not about to put everyone

on the car number but I think it’s I’m

recommending it for people with

digestive problems immune problems

autoimmune then I want to bring up a

point about phytonutrients like like

there’s a there’s a really great this is

a really this is a good book that I

wanted to show you this is like all the

research on endocrine disruptors by the

World Health Organization like these

endocrine disruptors in environment

including

frickin DDT in and the metabolite dde

is actually their finding and residues

in our bodies and infants and it’s and

you got all the different we’re like

swimming in a sea of chemicals so the

phytonutrients in certain cruciferous

vegetables they have properties of

increasing phase 1 phase 2

detoxification enhancing our own ability

to rid these poisons so I just see a

real nice benefit with that and so I’m

just gonna get your comment on that yeah

I mean so we’re talking about like

carotenoids ellagic acid reservatrol

resveratrol flavonoids I don’t okay all

three carbonyls talking about all these

things the first thing was electrolyte

imbalance and I think the carnivore diet

and I’ve spoken to a lot of a lot of my

clients have had issues with irregular

heartbeat and arrhythmia on the

carnivore diet and these you know if we

look at the Inuit Eskimos they didn’t

salt their food because they didn’t grow

up with salt on their food and right now

on people on the carnivore diet are

assaulting their food pretty heavily now

meat without salt on it has fairly good

ratios of sodium to potassium to

magnesium as soon as you put a little

bit of salt on your food that’s where

things can really get problematic

because you salt your food it’s a please

potassium which depletes magnesium and

you go in this vicious cycle that never

ends of trying to restore your

electrolytes you get crap I noticed that

when I saw my food I get cramping and

I’ve noticed that if I salt my food I do

feel better when I consume higher

potassium things like seaweed and try to

drink a lot of high mineral water and

and take potassium or magnesium

supplementation and some like let’s say

I eat a quarter pound of prosciutto

because I’m Italian you know there are

some extreme cases of sodium intake

where there is a benefit to consuming

high potassium foods and I think

considering you know there are a lot of

minerals that are bound to oxalates

in plant foods and there’s a lot of

inhibition of phytic acid but

potassium isn’t one of those potassium

citrate in these foods is generally

highly bioavailable and I think it can

benefit a lot of people on the carnivore

diet that are assaulting their food that

do have electrolyte problems I think

that’s the glaring issue now and and no

one’s going to a very small percentage

of people are going to be willing to go

on a very lightly cooked me diet without

salt you know that is not tasty that is

not fun to follow that is like it really

is a chore to do something like that and

that’s really the only way you can kind

of keep your electrolytes in balance

some people have and this is really

anecdotal a lot of people can sort their

food heavily and they have no problems

with it I was reading some I think I

forgot what year it was I think was the

18 or the 1900s there was a civilization

in one of the Nordic countries that was

literally consuming a hundred grams of

salt per day it’s some crazy amount from

the salted fish they had and they were

able to tolerate it and someone like me

if I put a gram or two of salt on my

food without adequate potassium

magnesium I’m thirsty I’m be hydrated

like crazy so there’s a drastic

difference in people’s kidneys ability

to handle sodium intake and this tizen

allowed with the carnivore diet and

whether or not you should be including I

mean I think seaweeds are great food

seaweed has a very high amount of

potassium

I think seaweed is like 900 milligrams

of potassium per serving has a decent

amount of magnesium like 80 milligrams

of magnesium and the sodium in seaweed

is fairly low so that there are

definitely some electrolyte issues on

the carnivore diet that and and if

you’re consuming a Shaun Baker diet 4 to

5 pounds of ribeye heavily salted I

would be surprised if less than half of

the people had electrolyte imbalance

problems on that guy

but to go into the benefits of

phytonutrients I think if you’re looking

to increase the overall nutrient density

of your diet beneficial bacteria I

really think there’s a reason that every

industry group did consume plant foods

in fairly large amount and the

Aborigines they consume literally

thousands of different wild plant foods

thousands of them and

one of my primary beliefs of their

consumption of these plant foods ties

back into the electrolytes the magnesium

the potassium and all of those things

and I mean in regards to specific

phytonutrient functions it’s just so you

know it’s it’s so difficult to argue

against them with all the beneficial

things that we do see in them I think

the one thing to just tie back to and

and my general opinion on plant foods is

you know what is the plant food you know

are you buying some mutant Apple the

size of your head or are you buying like

you know an organic Fairtrade small Fuji

apple I think there’s something to

consider when you’re buying your plant

foods whatever plant foods you’re

consuming you know is it a what’s that

boxed wine that college girls drink I

can’t remember this is mad dog 20/20 no

I don’t hold on hold on let me just a

second something silly Franzia Franzia

so you know there’s a big difference

between drinking Franzia wine and

organic biodynamic French wine right I

think the biggest thing for me for plant

foods is the food quality really ties in

here because if you’re consuming wild

blueberries as opposed to mutant

blueberries the sugar content is going

to be lower you’re going to get more

nutrients for what you’re buying there’s

gonna be a significantly higher

phytonutrient content in those foods and

it’s more beneficial

you know it’s for me I mean see wheat is

an excellent example because seaweed is

a very low caloric density food but it’s

so high in minerals it’s it’s literally

a I can’t really think of a food a plant

food that I would put as high as seaweed

for mineral intake it’s just - I mean

yeah it’s it’s amazing and and same with

the iodine in it all the elements it’s

it really is an amazing source of

nutrition and that’s the power of high

quality plant foods it’s unfortunate

that a lot of the plant foods that

people do go to buy aren’t high quality

but I think you know I did a vegan

debunking video yesterday and I ended

the video on the note that we really

need to support you know local

sustainable agriculture with our dollar

and try to spend money on high-quality

foods you know there’s a big difference

between those vegetables and those

fruits you buy from the farmers market

and and what you’re getting in a grocery

store not only that you know the variety

and not sticking to the same foods and

you know preparing certain foods raw

certain foods cooked there there’s just

so much more to to nutrition than anyone

can really have time to do the research

for or take the time to understand but

at the end of the day I always just tie

back to that what is the original

quality of the food you know where did

this fruit or vegetable originate how

was it grown now is an heirloom variety

you know if you’re eating sourdough

bread for instance you know einkorn

wheat is the first week that ever was so

you know there’s a huge difference

between eating high in corn sourdough

bread and Wonder Bread that’s you - you

might as well not call one of them bread

in a way right I always tell people like

I get all the time like well how do I

eat on a budget I said well you just

need to get a better job

and you seem to get him I hate to break

it to sorry like when you look at what

the average I look up statistics for

this for my budget video the average

person spends I believe seventy to

eighty dollars per week in groceries but

their food expense is like 150 so people

are going out to eat they’re going out

to drink they’re buying $5 Starbucks

coffee and they’re not putting their

money where it should be so people are

spending five to six hundred dollars per

month but people don’t feel comfortable

spending that much money in the grocery

store but that’s what I do I do spend

you know four or five $600 some months

on food instead of going out to eat

some people might spend $200 on a dinner

on a Friday night and then say oh I

can’t spend money on groceries they do I

assume Inc you do some in a minute

fasting yeah I mean I used to fast and I

do one meal a day and sometimes I

remember in the year 2017

I literally fasted for one quarter of

the time so whether I mean literally

you know three out of the 12 months of

the year I wasn’t eating and that might

have been you know one or two days a

week at times it might have been two

weeks straight at other times so I did

incorporate fasting to some degree and

although I hate to say fasting is a way

to save money you know it’s there’s a

lot of health benefits to it and I just

don’t see it’s like you could list all

the benefits of fasting and as soon as

you bring up oh you could save money

it’s some people’s eyes light up they

really do

yeah I mean you’re dropping

significantly I mean you’re not eating

six times a day anymore you’re not

snacking on all the expensive little

protein bars so I think that you you can

easily just go eat one meal a day and

increase the quality of food and that’s

your that’s your better health insurance

right there that’s what I tell people I

mean I don’t know what else to tell them

other than I don’t have a secret source

that really cheap healthy food I don’t

it’s like the farmers spend a lot of

energy making these foods and you know

they don’t make a lot of profit so I

really invest in them as well yeah it’s

it’s it’s funny how much I mean you’re

spending three thousand dollars a month

on health insurance I’m sure you’re not

really getting your money’s worth you

know it’s unfortunate but yeah now

you’re paying for everyone else that’s

just how it is what do you know exactly

so I just wanted to bring up one point

about the anti nutrients like phytic

acid you know cuz I get this a lot

people say well tanana nutrients gonna

block absorption of iron and zinc and

it’s gonna create a problem so I wanted

to get get your take on that because

there’s some more I want to talk about

on that point yeah it’s I don’t think

anti nutrients are like some issue that

we should be talking about themselves

it’s more about in the context of what

diet are you consuming them in because

if a vegan it it’s more in the context

of a vegan diet if you’re on a vegan

diet not only is your diet deficient in

key vitamins and minerals you’re

consuming incredibly high amounts of

these anti nutrients you’re consuming

incredibly high amounts of Antin

treants on a nutritionally deficient

diet and you’re not preparing this foods

properly

certain foods like oats if you look at

how the Gaelic used to prepare oats they

would soak them they would ferment them

they would reduce the phytic acid

content if you look at the phytic acid

content of various nuts and seeds you

know which ones you should be soaking

you know which ones you shouldn’t

macadamia nuts for instance I love

macadamia nuts because they have aloe

phytic acid content if you look at the

fighting as a content of foods and you

look at indigenous preparations they’re

supposed to be soaked or prepared in a

certain way but the biggest issue with

the anti nutrients is in the context of

a vegan diet that is high in

anti-nutrients it’s you know if someone

is consuming and I always like relating

to Blue Zones because American dieters

consume 70 percent of their calories

from plant foods and 30 percent of the

calories from animal foods Blue Zones

same exact thing the difference is the

food quality Blue Zones are technically

consuming 30% animal foods as well but

those animal foods are not cheeseburgers

and hot dogs those animal foods are raw

milk raw dairy pastured pork wild caught

fish and if we look at that plant foods

they’re consuming they’re not consuming

Wonder Bread they’re not consuming a

pound of like oxidized almonds they’re

not consuming improperly prepared

legumes they’re still consuming they are

still consuming traditional foods high

quality preparations of these foods and

the food quality is really what ties in

here are you preparing the food properly

does it have the original nutrient

content it’s supposed to have do you

have adequate nutrients from animal

foods in your diet that’s or that those

are the important questions to answer if

you want to look at phytic acid itself

and look at that as a function it

doesn’t make nearly as much sense

without analyzing the overall context of

the diet yeah those are watching just to

clarify what that means phytic acid has

some properties the anti nutrients that

block certain minerals but it also has

some anti-cancer properties too you know

I I know some people won’t even look at

this but if if you look at when I used

to recommend in practice I would see

some great ruse

and if you were to even look on Amazon

some of the products ip6 that’s where

you’d find a version of phytic acid I

mean there’s some quite interesting

high-level reviews like 85% five-star

reviews of of seeing changes there

polyps going away PSA the prostate

indicator going down my theory behind

that is phytic acid will bind to excess

excess phytic acid will bind to excess

minerals so if you’re taking something

like ip6 I would assume that it’s going

to take if you a lot of people do have

access calcium and excess iron in the

digestive tract in the bloodstream so I

think it definitely ties in there with

removing the excess minerals yeah that

would be a very easy explanation behind

the mechanism about what that does it

almost mimics fasting in some cases in a

sense of like making sure your body has

the minimal amount of nutrients and

needs right excess yeah and I think that

you know excess iron is is a problem

because we don’t have a good way of

getting it out of our system as well and

especially if people are doing the DES

fortification of the grains that’s the

wrong iron and you’re gonna get you’re

gonna raise your iron in as you age it’s

very oxidative it’s very creates a lot

of free radicals and it destroys the

arteries and the tissues and the even

can cause cirrhosis of the liver so

going crazy with specially with iron

supplements a bad bad idea I was reading

a study and I believe I cited this study

in my vegan versus carnivore nutrients

video that iron metabolism is increased

dramatically when consumed with fight

MMA and what we can say is you know

what’s the source of vitamin A and iron

in nature animal foods so we can safely

say if we were going to consume iron in

a natural way outside of supplements

that it would have been in the presence

of vitamin A so I think a lot of the

problems associated with iron is that

now we’re

as you said in the artificial waste from

the fortified foods from the supplements

ways we shouldn’t really be getting

hired exactly

awesome this has been very very good so

we touched on a lot of points was there

anything that we missed so I just took

some notes beforehand so we did we

talked about some vitamins we talked

about vitamin d3 one thing I did want to

mention was the reason a carnivore diet

might might work well for a lot of

people is that they’re just efficient in

the nutrients that are you know b12 fat

Seibel vitamin deficiencies it’s

definitely worth mentioning that people

that are consuming a low amount of

animal foods and have been consuming a

low amount of animal foods their whole

lives might actually be deficient in

vitamin b12 they they could see a lot of

benefits from consuming more vitamin k2

more retinoic acid more vitamin d3

that’s definitely worth mentioning and

the main thing i wanted to mention was

how inaccurate the food databases are on

animal foods it’s it’s unfortunate if

you look at a u.s. database for meat the

reason the vitamins are low is one

because it’s not a high quality source

the vitamin A the retinoic acid or the

vitamin D content in a steak might be

insignificant if it’s grain fed and not

only that they don’t test for a lot of

the nutrients I use a German database

it’s forgive my German pronunciation

it’s called now word Trek nur de and

when I look up foods on that database

they have an extensive nutrient

breakdown of everything and they test

for vitamin C they test for vitamin k2

they test for all the fatty acids they

test for all the minerals they test for

all the elements so when people look up

a piece of liver on chronometer and it

doesn’t say that liver has every single

vitamin and mineral there is it’s

incorrect I think that’s just the main

thing people need to understand is that

animal foods correlate directly to how

they were raised if you have up

conventional feedlot cattle or pig or

chicken or even eggs the nutrient

content is not going to be what it

should be and unfortunately I think

that’s gonna be something that’s I mean

it’s gonna continue to be overlooked for

a long period of time I don’t think I

mean if you look up I actually got

quotes from laboratories on what

nutrient testing costed and and that was

like well that makes sense because just

getting vitamin k2 tested in a food is

like $350 oh my gosh

just getting vitamin d3 tested is $350

if you wanted to get all the fat side

with vitamins tested in one food it’s

about $1,500 and that’s not including

all the fatty acids that’s not including

all the minerals that’s not including

all the vitamins if you want a full

nutrient analysis of what that German

website did in the United States labs at

least I’m sure the United States

laboratories are gouging me it would

probably cost you four to five thousand

dollars per food so let’s say you had a

food you wanted to test like raw butter

not only would you want to test multiple

versions of butter you might want to

test versions of butter from different

farms but just for one food for just

variability you’d have to test one food

three or four different times it just

gets I think this data would be

excellent to have but at the end of the

day we could just use assumptions pretty

much to say you know what tissues and

what parts of the animal do have these

nutrients well I just want to touch on

that cuz that’s a really valid point

because people don’t even look at the

quality of food I did so one of the one

of these products that I use is raw

wheatgrass juice powder that I get from

Utah and I would go out to the farm

where they grow this stuff so it’s grown

on an ancient seabed and the quality is

just working over the top and they’re

taking this this grass and then they’re

converting it into a powder within like

a very short period of time so under low

heat snuffing over 106 degrees so what I

wanted to do is I wanted to run the labs

on that it was it was four thousand

dollars just to run the basic nutrient

profiles right and I also compared it to

the top - you can say competitors

people that are also selling a very