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well hey everyone today we have a

special guest Aaron Davison is the CEO

of a company chronometer and it’s an app

it’s pretty cool it allows you to track

60 nutrients and probably I don’t know

it could be more by now I was just kind

of getting this off your website over

7500 different foods and in the analysis

of your your macros and your nutrients

so if you’re doing the key tell and if'

you can track this data so welcome and

thank you for spending some time just

kind of answering some questions that I

have oh yeah thanks for having me

absolutely

you know when you do the keto plan I get

this over and over and over like what do

I track my calories dry track my

nutrients one of the macros so you have

one of the top best apps out there and

so I wanted to bring you on just to see

what you’re up to see what this app is

all about and then some features that

you have that are new that I think

people will be excited about so can you

kind of just tell us a little bit about

your app and a thumbnail sketch and and

this and also then you maybe can pull up

a screen too when you’re when you’re

ready on on what you have with keto your

thing yeah we’re all about tracking

we’re all about data and deep nutrition

data in particular and and all about

science so we really try to take a we’re

trying to present a tool we’re not

trying to push any kind of particular

diet or regimen on anyone where we try

to stay impartial but we also try and

follow the research and keep on top of

the trends that are in the space and

yeah like like you mentioned we have

Sony more than much more than 7,500

Foods the interesting we have hundreds

of thousands but we have two types of

foods in our database which is important

for everyone to be aware of so we have

foods that have the full spectrum of

nutrition so these have the 60

micronutrients all the amino acids

vitamins minerals fat breakdown car

breakdown write down and just sugar

subtypes sugar alcohols and and just

immense amount of data when you want to

like understand what’s in food but that

is limited to a small subset of our

database so that is typically whole

foods and greed common ingredients and

very classic popular products from

mainly from the US market that so these

are foods that have gone into the labs

and been extensively analyzed so that we

have all these data points then there’s

the hundreds and hundreds of thousands

every year new products they’re like on

the market on the shelves that are

shrink-wrapped we don’t have like

obviously those products don’t get

analyzes heavily and we just have what’s

on the label for most of those or what’s

published by it say the restaurants

nutrition facts and they’re not going to

publish or even do the lab work to give

you you you know the full spectrum and

all they’re not going to share the

ingredients if we knew the exact

ingredients that went into it obviously

we could create a food you know compiled

from the thing our ingredient database

and we would know what what’s in it but

that’s just not what happens in the food

industry right now so we do try and show

you that within the app and all when I

demo I’ll show the way you can sort of

discern if you’re interested in just

tracking macros it doesn’t matter

because that’s always unavailable but if

you’re also in the nutrients then you

have to focus your what you’re working

with to real foods and if you’re eating

real food and preparing your meals it’s

never an issue it’s it’s when you mean

the stuff you shouldn’t be eating or the

problems it’s just there’s so many of

those it’s like I don’t even think

personally I don’t think we should even

track that because you shouldn’t be

eating in the first place

what is there a database that you tapped

into where you get the data or how do

you do that yeah so we we source our

data from a number of databases and we

have our own in-house curation team as

well

Wow that works on constantly enhancing

and expanding your database both from

the product side and the research side

are you able to see my screen now yeah

okay so this is this is the web version

there’s also a mole

version that looks a little simpler but

all the functionality is still there and

so this is the diary which we’re focused

around and in your diary you get a list

of what’s happened through the day and

then you’re gonna know nothing’s showing

here because I haven’t logged anything

today

so I’m gonna demonstrate that but you

can see the list of vitamins minerals

protein lipids carbs and miscellaneous

you can track and see information on and

you can also log your exercises you can

record biometrics so anything can

measure whether it’s like your ferret

and blood levels your blood glucose your

ketone readings that can also get dumped

in here and graphed alongside nice and

freeform notes and photos can also be

kept in your in your journal here as

well but the the basic workflow here

would be to add I’m gonna start with my

breakfast so I had two eggs and I’m just

gonna make sure I go so we have a couple

of different categories I had been

clicked on brands here restaurants

products that are supplements pills and

whatnot and then common foods would be

foods that are in that whole food

database yeah so if you do want to be

sure that you’re getting comprehensive

nutrition you can limit your searches on

this tab let’s say for example you had a

piece of meat for breakfast and would

you how does it measure in ounces or

grams or um yeah so so every food will

have a number of different serving sizes

it will come up with the default of

what’s the most popular but you cannot

have old logging grams ounces and then

if various serving sizes are provided by

the curators you would also be able to

select those okay so I’m just saying to

medium eggs in my scrambled eggs and I’m

gonna add some bacon

three strips of bacon avocado half an

avocado and you can see I’m filio my

breakfast here I’ve actually the count

I’m demoing here is already configured I

believe with in our ketogenic settings

mode so normally in the default app this

would actually over here be showing

calories but you can change this to net

carbs for instance if and I want to be

more focused on on carb tracking you

still get your whole calorie energy and

an out balance here so here we can see

we’ve gotten seventy percent of her

calories so far from fats eight percent

from carbs 22 percent from protein we

can see where my end my predicted energy

burn for the day based on my body type

so my basal metabolic rate and general

activity now if I went and logged

exercise will also see so I feel went

for a thirty minute jog I’m just gonna

drag that up here now I’ve also got 250

calories onto my energy burn here as

well so so if you’re interested in

calories we do track those but if you’re

doing keto the most important thing

obviously is keeping track of these

macros and the balance so we have a

number of features to support that but

one of the most interesting ones is when

you’ve gone here and logged all your

foods for the day and you might notice

that you’ve blown over your net carb

limit and you’re curious like oh where

did those pesky carbs come from over

over any of these bars and see what the

top contributors were nice and that can

actually unveil some surprises sometimes

where you’re you weren’t aware there

were few sneaky carbs in something I

love that and then as far as the the

individual nutrients is quite a database

of nutrients so let’s see you have let’s

take a just look at potassium I just

want to look at that Wow look at that

that 1% of my daily work

for potassium so these are all

configured by default to the RDAs for

your body type you can love it I love it

you can override these so if your doctor

tells you you know you have a particular

condition you need to watch your iron or

your zinc or what have you you can you

can change these targets too you can

personalize them further than than the

defaults but by default it’s it’s what

the general recommendations are for for

you and yeah so we can see where my

potassium is coming from it’s a great

way to learn what’s in your food

you even have phytonutrients I think

yeah you try to find out nutrients in

vitamin A Michael pain Wow

yeah and so there’s no RTA’s or targets

that he receive you could always add one

it if you wanted but if but we do show

the amounts and we you know I should

mention we we can track a lot more than

what I’m showing here there just turned

off by default just to reduce complexity

yeah yeah we appreciate that and yeah we

want to kind of keep it simple but the

ability to expand it this is very very

cool stuff it’s simple a problem you

know just from a person looking at this

or praying like wow this is pretty nice

but the amount of work that you had to

do to make this simple I could imagine

because that’s the hardest thing is to

take to make it graph to quickly get the

representation so I know you probably

went through this a few times oh yeah

this is assessable for many years and

it’s continuing to evolve yeah we’re

always trying to find ways to to make it

more user friendly and maintain the

power that’s always the struggle is when

you want to present a lot of information

it can be very overwhelming for new

users who haven’t quite you know when

they first come to this app and they see

all of this detail it can be a little

overwhelming for some people and I just

want to also mention one thing for those

of you that are watching I think your

app is is like three dollars or

something like that right one of them we

actually so we have two versions in the

app store I want is free with ads and

one is yeah three dollars to to the

Anthony version you know guys I

personally

try to develop something like this in

the early 2000s and I paid $300,000 to

come up with that programmers to try to

build something I gave up it was just

too too complex too difficult and too

expensive so and I know you probably

invested a tremendous amount of work and

for you know a couple dollars to have

this data turn off your cell phone I

mean it’s like I think it’s it’s

definitely worth it so I appreciate you

doing all the work it’s been fun to do

the work to be honest but it has been a

lot of hard work

yeah yeah just just quickly diving into

some particularly interesting

Kito features since your audience would

be interested in that when you have it

in set up for ketogenic mode we also

have some X some handy ways to log your

your blood urine or breath ketone

reading squeeze so if you are using a

device like the keto Mojo or the P

strips or the ketone express analyzer

you can you can record that to your

diary

Wow and everything at point 5 really

molars there it is also and when you

into our trends and charting section or

report section you can actually start to

see how what you’re eating how you’re

exercising notes on sleep all those

things might be affecting your your

ketone and blood glucose reading it’s

kind of like um it’s this is so

important because so many people out if

I’m not losing weight why is that well

go you could go back if you track

everything you can see right before you

started not losing weight there is

something you ate or you can look at

your ketones or your blood sugar so it’s

a it’s a great way to figure things out

I like it plus the glucose reading you

can check that too and track that

exactly so it’s it’s it’s usually

usually record those together and it’s

good idea to track those together if you

if you’re doing a serious ketogenic diet

just to show everyone where they can set

up the ketogenic mode

I click the so there’s this

macronutrient targets section there’s a

little Settings icon here that expands

to the settings for this area and

there’s a macronutrient target section

and from that you select the high fat

ketogenic mode and then you get to

select either custom values or from some

presets so if you were doing this for

medically serious condition where you

really want to be rigorous we’ve got a

few presets here so it’s gonna take your

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your body weight and body fat percentage

and to determine your lean body mass and

it’s gonna give you a certain allotment

of protein per kilogram body and then

you also set a cap on how many either

some people do want to use total carbs

so include fiber integral cause some

people want to use Nick most people use

net carbs for mutagen but that’s also an

option we also let some people disagree

whether whether to include sugar

alcohols in their carbs so we’ve made

that an option here as well right so we

have rigorous which would be typically

for someone who’s very sensitive to

carbs or is doing this for a very very

serious condition so they don’t want to

mess anything up that’s these quite

strictly moderate well is where almost

everyone will should get into ketosis on

moderate if they follow these limits

it’s with few exceptions and then relax

would be someone like myself I’m not

doing a ketogenic diet for medical

reasons I’m not overweight just doing it

for general health and interest I like

how it makes me feel and athletic so I

can tolerate a lot more per day of net

carbs and we have this athletic bonus

option with shift ticked

but an extra allowance of carbs if you

love more exercise so knowing that

that’s gonna get that blood sugar is

gonna get burned off in the exercise and

not affect your your insulin levels as

much especially for endurance athletes

zach bitter

he took the record for a hundred miles

he’s coming to this summit and of course

he he needs to do more carbs when he’s

running so of course he’s not doing

glucose he’s doing you know other types

of cars but yeah I totally see that and

of course if these presets don’t match

what you’d like you can use custom and

you can edit any of these to your liking

nice don’t want the wizard like that’s

calculating all of these things

dynamically you just want very say

you’ve used some other website to

calculate your macros for keto and you

know the exact gram amounts and you can

also use the fixed targets mode which

lets you you just click these and type

in the exact amount you want

they won’t change or fluctuate based on

your exercise or anything so some people

prefer that type control of most people

prefer our wizard that dynamically

figures things out for you that’s you

right if you can go back one field I

want to just right there you had okay so

he has 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram

for lean body mass okay so that’s that

the key thing is not like per weight for

a lot of the people that are doing my

program and let’s say they’re going

through menopause or metabolism is slow

we’re gonna recommend 0.75 grams of

protein per kilogram protein body mass

so that’s what plug

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yeah so the 0.75 and then as far as fat

grams can you can we customize that to 4

for fat and perhaps so this the way this

with this keto mode works is basically

anything left in your calorie budget

gets assigned to fat okay we’ve done a

weight loss bowl for instance then we

assume the deficit is gonna be made up

by burning your own fat

so the your target for the day with for

fat would work out to that balance the

dietary fat it for someone that’s really

struggling to lose weight in their

plateauing we want to keep it under 75

grams something on average between 60

and 75 grams if they keep it alow it

forces their body to burn their own fat

a lot more but we don’t want to go too

low because I know how deficiencies but

that’s kind of for those of you watching

it’s kind of like a good number to shoot

for if you really want to get some

serious weight loss do you go ahead

sorry and I was just just gonna just add

like if if our our pedo targeting wizard

doesn’t do the trick for anyone then

that’s where you want to use that fixed

moment to just plug in the exact values

you determined yeah so so it’s all you

eat this program is extremely

configurable it you just might have to

crack open the user manual or contact

our support for some of those those

cases that might not be as obvious but

it pretty much everything can be tuned

to how you want it nice let’s say for

example we want to add another layer of

variables which is in a minute fasting

mm-hmm do you have anything yet um I’m

not so we don’t we definitely want to

add some things like but we don’t have

them yet what we recently added over

time stamp them so you you can

optionally record the times of your

meals okay

I mean in reality it’s just you still

could you just basically just add your

one meal or two males and then you know

that will calculate what you need it now

so it’s just with one now that we have

time stamps we could start showing you

for instance like how long since your

last meal or charting the the length of

time between your time of your fasts for

instance from that data yeah it gets it

a little bit complex because you have

when you go less meals your calories do

go down because your body is retaining

nutrients so it’s like and then you have

the variable of how much the person

weighs and really how many calories they

need and the the digestive system

strength and the stress level so it

probably you can get to the point where

it’s like over-the-top complex so we

don’t want to do that but I think this

would give you everything you wanted it

now just on a thumbnail sketch

exactly and yeah I think in 2019 we’ll

we’ll probably have some interesting

things to support intermittent fasting

yeah awesome yeah really

um now just from you doing this what are

you finding you probably get data from a

lot of people I don’t know if you look

at the data but are you finding that

well there’s a lot of people are they’re

not consuming enough of a certain

nutrient have you seen we we haven’t we

actually take data privacy pretty follow

that pretty strictly right now and in

our policy and so we do have options to

enroll and to actually opt in to

share your data with researchers who

then would be allowed to look at your

data but yeah as far as when we’ve used

this or we’ve talked to people who use

this especially following a ketogenic

diet you know the usual suspects

definitely crop up like the electrolytes

and and things like that can be tricky

to get from your food especially when

you need more

what the RDAs layout right those diets

here yeah and even even that’s like you

know some of these nutrients you might

need more especially if your health

isn’t that great then you have the other

thing if you’re doing higher carbs the

depletion of sometimes as they’re

refined carbs the depletion of mineral

especially b1 or potassium but I think I

would be very interested to see I would

focus on potassium I would bet you

anything that the average person is not

even getting close to the amount of

potassium they need because you need

4700 as a as a rdas so it’s like that’s

like a lot of vegetables so that would

be interesting to point that out but

time

Ventris yeah we have the potential

certainly to data mine

and and learn some big broad strokes

things about about our user base and the

different diets are on I think the

challenge is always because it’s not a

controlled study that quality of the

data the noise and the data you don’t

know did someone if I forgot to log my

lunch and my dinner versus I was fasting

for the rest of the day you know we’re

not someone kind of looking at the data

from a high level mean aggregation is

not going to be able to to tell the

difference now was I just meal planning

or doing a demo or did I actually eat

this and people use the software for so

many different different ways that I

think unless they’ve actually enrolled

in a protocol with the researcher and

then they’re sharing their data I think

that’s the way to go yeah yeah it’d be a

you know it’s like um the first thing I

do like this is what I get a lot from

people especially if they’re not

familiar with keto

oh I’m not losing weight I said okay

well I can’t evaluate that unless I have

a food log so you know if they did this

they would have it already done and then

we can evaluate evaluator but then the

first thing is like making sure they’re

doing it correct and ninety percent of

time they’re not doing a correct so then

we correct that but this will allow them

to really look at things and dig down to

see what’s wrong

yeah so the one thing we have to support

that is a professional version so anyone

who’s working with patients or clients

in in that sort of setting whether

they’re in a hospital or their fitness

coach can use our professional version

to then give give the app to their

clients and then their clients data is

accessible under our pro dashboard so

they can follow along and see everything

in there their final then they can set

their targets and they can they can

thought they can check in on them every

day if they want right from there

stop and say you know give him a shoot

them a text or a call call the money

look I noticed you know you missed the

mark here I’m a pretty detailed and

hands-on if they need to yeah I think I

think I’m gonna I’m gonna tell my my

Kido coaches in my health coaches that I

have a training course I’m gonna this

would be perfect to use with their

clients and especially like um you know

people that have food allergies and

inflammatory responses it’s always

connected to something you’re eating so

if you could track it and isolate what

the heck you’re doing because there’s so

many variables you can start eliminating

things until you actually nail what

you’re allergic to or inflamed so this

is an awesome awesome tool I’m gonna put

a link down below of where to get it on

a desktop and also you just do a search

on on this product and download it

there’s even a free version to to check

that out so I want to thank you so much

for your time I know you’re probably

busy programming and just to share like

what what this is and the power of it so

for those of you that need to download

it I’m gonna put a link down below this

is awesome so I want to thank you so

much and I appreciate your time yeah my

pleasure thank you very much absolutely